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Post #155,191 by Ashton 5/14/04 5:21:39 PM Reply	i'Twould be ironic indeed to flame you for an anti-flammatory post! (But then zIWE thrive on B-12, Iron-y and prurient parsing) Guess I hadn't noticed such levels of dissension - but inevitably the behaviour of the prison folk is bound to cast a reflection upon our (The US's) daily dosages of heaped dead burned bodies - within our chosen entertainments. That this is apt to lead to overgeneralizations about the degree-of-depravity of the rest of US -?- is surely a worldwide football to kick around. And who can resist so inviting a football, with such a solid-teak Tee, holding it in kicking position. Is it even possible to over-do the scorn for everything which led to this nail in the coffin of PNAC Neoconman fantasies? ..about "smiling Iraqis with bouquets for the Halliburton-Cheney invaders" ..expecting the embracing of US-Capitalism in a trice, 'cause we be so universally Loved ..the settling of the religio-clan-wars of centuries: because the US be so universally Loved. ..etc. Nope, I guess I don't see the massive pile-on you seem to notice. Ashton PS - it's got to get very much Worse before it can get Better. 5+ months of unspeakable spin, mouthed by the scurrilous to the naive: that's what's ahead, no matter what. Self-destruction - at least keeps it in the Family.
Post #155,193 by ben_tilly 5/14/04 5:23:51 PM Reply	My guess... Nightowl doesn't like the thread in Politics about how religion is evil and should be destroyed. I don't like it either, but for completely different reasons. Cheers, Ben To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act - [link\|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20\|Nebraska Supreme Court]
Post #155,199 by Nightowl 5/14/04 5:35:44 PM Reply	Re: My guess... Nightowl doesn't like the thread in Politics about how religion is evil and should be destroyed. I don't like it either, but for completely different reasons. Partly right, Ben. But there's so much more, and maybe people just don't see it like I am. The torture thread, for example. Everyone had to argue who started torture, who taught it to whom, it got downright volatile, to me, anyway. Who cares where it came from, it happened, and it happened at the hands of US soldiers, why does that reflect on any other country? The thread about Rumsfeld and the panel and all, it turned into so much more than a political debate, it almost sounded "personal" between members of the IWT community. I guess there's nothing wrong with that, but it seemed so sad to me that it came to that. Yes, the religion thread, and even the Iraq thread of genocide. Killing everyone doesn't solve anything. That bothers me a lot, that anyone here would even begin to THINK about advocating that kind of massacre. I just wouldn't have seen it in anyone's hearts here, not even the WORST ones. All I know is, it's gotten real gloomy in here, real dark, real sad, real volatile, and honestly, downright depressing. Yes, I know I can refrain from reading it, but that's not my point. I believe I've made my point, or at least I hope so. And for Broomberg who seems to think I wanted everyone to agree, well I never said that, and I certainly never thought that. I just thought we could debate things with a little less hate, venom and viciousness. So put words in my mouth if you want, but I didn't say we should all be the same, all think the same or all do the same. What a boring place IWT would be if we were. Nightowl >8# "AHHHHH! Relatives coming out of the woodwork!!!!!!"
Post #155,248 by Silverlock 5/14/04 10:13:25 PM Reply	Look to your self All I know is, it's gotten real gloomy in here, real dark, real sad, real volatile, and honestly, downright depressing. If you don't like our stark honesty, you should stay out of the more ... volatile forums. I'll say this once. The people here are frighteningly honest. All that disagree with me, of course, are wrong. Note the difference. Just cause they are wrong doesn't make them dishonest. I recognize that. So should you. (I'll flame you later) ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #155,262 by Nightowl 5/14/04 11:12:16 PM Reply	Never once did I say they were dishonest. More trying to put words in my mouth that weren't there and weren't said. Nightowl >8# "AHHHHH! Relatives coming out of the woodwork!!!!!!"
Post #155,274 by Silverlock 5/15/04 12:00:49 AM Reply	I've never put a word in your mouth. Ever. I'll thank you not to spread that lie. I also never said you thought we were dishonest. Try reading it again. If you need help, I can point you to the dictionary references for sarcasm and such. ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #155,275 by Nightowl 5/15/04 12:03:58 AM Reply	I'll clarify then. Silverlock wrote:>>Just cause they are wrong doesn't make them dishonest. I recognize that. So should you.<< This to me, implied that you thought I didn't recognize that they were honest. I didn't even say that they were wrong, so if you didn't mean it that way, no problem. Nightowl >8# "AHHHHH! Relatives coming out of the woodwork!!!!!!"
Post #155,276 by Silverlock 5/15/04 12:20:05 AM Reply	Hmm.. I look at it from that point of view and suddenly, understanding smacks my forehead. My deepest apologies. accepted? (I'll still rip you when I feel you deserve it)* *Wich will, most likely, be often. ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #155,277 by Nightowl 5/15/04 12:22:34 AM Reply	Accepted. :) And I'll do my best not to deserve it. :) Nightowl >8# "AHHHHH! Relatives coming out of the woodwork!!!!!!"
Post #155,404 by n3jja 5/16/04 6:28:03 PM Reply	That is why... ... I have that forum (and a few others) Marked Read until 2064.
Post #155,419 by drewk 5/16/04 9:22:57 PM Reply	I just go month to month, but same idea === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #155,195 by Nightowl 5/14/04 5:26:07 PM Reply	Well, maybe it seems worse to me Than to everyone else. I've seen people blaming each other's countries for this mess, I've seen people trashing religion left and right and blaming it for this mess. I've seen people claiming that they never really knew the truth about so and so in here, all over this twisted mess in Iraq and etc. Maybe you all are joking around with one another, but it doesn't have that feel, really. It has an incendiary feel, a destructive feel... But for all your sakes, Ashton, I truly hope you're right, and it isn't as bad as it seems to be. Guess I just miss the usual banter and joking and picking on one another in a more light-hearted way. Nightowl >8# "AHHHHH! Relatives coming out of the woodwork!!!!!!"
Post #155,203 by Ashton 5/14/04 5:44:57 PM Reply	'Religion' is "crazy Aunt Martha in the corner" - about which (polite folk) simply may not speak. She is to remain invisible, for all polite conversation in the house. (As, in Murican culture, one does not fart; one (used to) expels gas .. and the thousands of other euphemisms, which are our chosen form of noncommunication of Basic Issues. Yes, it is always jarring to the Faithful - to have anyone bring up the record of the effects of Believers upon Other-believers: especially effects of their regular raids on Other-Believers, through the Ages. In gawd's Name cha cha cha - Always. But that connection Can Be Explored at zIWE or: we may as well be a Bridge Club. And if not Now? Then: When? would there be a more up-to-date Example of the utterly predictable phenomena of 'Believers' and their lethally-sanctimonious yammerings? Onward Xian Sojers ---> of all Screeds n'Deeds; Kill a Commie for Christ Ashton, who demurs on that entire sandbox of turpitude

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