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New If you insist, so wheres my check?
attempting to explain profiling doesn't require one to take a position for or against it any more than attempting to explain gravity requires one to be for or against gravity. Walter Williams
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New > $100 billion tribute of US taxpayer funds sent to Israel.
Get your cut from "Jabba the Hutt" Sharon.
Alex

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't.
New :-) good answer and description
attempting to explain profiling doesn't require one to take a position for or against it any more than attempting to explain gravity requires one to be for or against gravity. Walter Williams
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New Why the US gives Israel money
[link|http://www.danielpipes.org/article/604|The $36 Billion Bargain: Strategy and Politics in U.S. Assistance to Israel]

"Why does the U.S. government provide such generous support to Israel? Conventional wisdom points to American Jews, their votes, their political donations, and their well-organized lobbying efforts. Whole books (notably Paul Findley's They Dare to Speak Out and Edward Tivan's The Lobby) have been written to make this point.
A. F. K. Organski, professor of political science at the University of Michigan, has looked at the record of American aid to Israel and come to a different conclusion. He observed a striking fact: U.S. aid was very low before 1970 and very high afterwards. Noting that American Jews exerted about the same efforts on Israel's behalf before 1970 as after that date, he asked himself why the dramatically different aid levels? Logic holds that a constant factor cannot explain a variable event; obviously, the author concludes, American Jews cannot be the decisive factor here. To clinch this argument, he points out that it was Richard Nixon, a politician singularly not beholden to Jews (according to Henry Kissinger, he "delighted in telling associates and visitors that the 'Jewish lobby' had no effect on him") who raised the levels of aid.

Organski posits a contrary argument for the turn in 1970. For him, the critical change had to do with American attitudes toward Israel's utility. From Truman through Johnson, he shows, American administrations saw Israel as a weak state that could provide no help in the Great Game versus the Soviet Union; if anything, the Jewish state was perceived as a liability. Thanks to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, Nixon saw Israeli military power as a significant benefit to the United States. This transformation was then completed in the aftermath of the 1973 war.
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Organski shows how it is in almost everyone's interest to forward the myth of the Jewish lobby. Jewish leaders clearly benefit from being perceived as having a decisive impact. Israeli leaders like to believe that they have influential friends. American policy makers exploit the Jewish lobby to explain away decisions that Arab leaders oppose. American opponents of aid love the lobby, for it strengthens their argument that close relations with Israel results from domestic considerations, not a sober assessment of foreign policy. Even Arab leaders cling to the myth, which makes unpalatable decisions made in Washington much easier for them to swallow."
New Of course
that's why the Romans started out working with the Jews when they were running the joint a couple K years back. We all know how that arrangement ended up.
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New The Cold War has been over for some time.
And nothing has changed. So the argument you present is bullshit. Israel is nothing but a large handicap to the US.

Counterexample: [link|http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/420956.html|Hillary puckering up]:
Senator Hillary Clinton sent a letter to a World Jewish Conference held in Berlin on Tuesday pledging to introduce in the United States Senate a proposal against anti-Semitism.

The letter, which was read by President of World Jewish Congress Edgar Bronfman, said that the New York senator would also demand that the United Nations also adopt a proposal against anti-Semitism.
Alex

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't.
     interesting view on the detainee's treatment - (boxley) - (30)
         Re: interesting view on the detainee's treatment - (deSitter)
         Google "israeli humiliation palestinians". - (a6l6e6x) - (28)
             And searching for "american humiliation muslims" - (bluke) - (27)
                 And using "dogs humiliation cats" returns 12,200 hits -NT - (jbrabeck) - (7)
                     *snicker* -NT - (admin) - (6)
                         Even "admin humiliation snicker" returns 79 hits. IOW BFD! -NT - (jbrabeck) - (4)
                             Well all I have to say... - (admin) - (2)
                                 Just goes to show... - (bepatient)
                                 A swing and a miss - (jb4)
                             ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4)
                         iwethey humiliation returned about 13 - (bbronson)
                 Re: what exactly does all this prove? - (a6l6e6x) - (18)
                     If you insist, so wheres my check? -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                         > $100 billion tribute of US taxpayer funds sent to Israel. - (a6l6e6x) - (4)
                             :-) good answer and description -NT - (boxley)
                             Why the US gives Israel money - (bluke) - (2)
                                 Of course - (jake123)
                                 The Cold War has been over for some time. - (a6l6e6x)
                     Like I said ... - (bluke)
                     Tell me how do the Jew's do it - (bluke) - (10)
                         Here's a hint. - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                             In other words ZOG (Zionist occupied Government) - (bluke) - (4)
                                 Please note, I cite the *Jewish Virtual Library*. - (a6l6e6x) - (3)
                                     And therefore what - (bluke) - (2)
                                         Alex see's Jews wherever he looks, I see communists - (boxley)
                                         Look at my post with a quote from NY Times. - (a6l6e6x)
                         Not secret powers. - (pwhysall) - (3)
                             And in other words the Jews control the $ - (bluke) - (2)
                                 You saying they don't? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                     Murdoch is Jewish? Bush and Cronies take Bin Laden Money - (boxley)

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