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New Another important connection to Tet
There is another important connection to the Tet offensive here. The Tet offensive is widely taken as the turning point of the war, when it began to come apart for the US. What to many people are not really aware of is that the in military terms the US won the Tet offense, but the consequences where still enough to make us lose the war.

We can surely crush Fallujah if we want to. The question becomes, do we want to lower ourselves to Saddam's level to do so? If we are holding power through fear, how are we better then the government we replaced? How many American lives are we willing to risk to protect the bystanders in Fallujah?

Of course, people like Peters don't generally consider these sorts of questions meaningfull. They would be happy protecting American by killing everybody in the rest of the world. And they would lable this as bringing peace without any sense of irony or tragedy.

Jay
New Battle of Trenton
In the American Revolution, the first real victory came at Trenton - and was not against the British, rather Hessian mercenaries. It was a tiny battle in comparison to modern ones - no Americans died and only a few of the enemy (including their Herr Oberst). But, the psychological impact was devastating. The British knew then, the Americans would not quit - and it became a practical matter of balancing more pressing needs at home against foreign adventures.

Even after getting reamed at Gettysburg, at Vicksburg, and after being besieged at Petersburg, the Confederates could have won simply by holding onto Atlanta and harassing Sherman until the fall elections of 1864. The invader has a massive onus - you would think we would have learned this lesson by now. The cretins in power are however incapable of drawing correct conclusions about anything. A more incompetent Executive has never existed.
-drl
New Atlanta campaign
What he said... and totally OT, Sherman's general [link|http://home.att.net/~dmercado/chronolo.htm|Thomas] (another Virginian!) deserves a lot of credit there. I've always been a big fan.
I'm not a complete idiot -- some parts are missing
     Thunder on the right - (rcareaga) - (15)
         It certainly leave one question unanswered... - (Simon_Jester) - (5)
             Saddam Hussein and the "terrorists" - (rcareaga) - (4)
                 Sounds familiar. - (mmoffitt)
                 You just wait till Saddam gets home young man! -NT - (altmann)
                 Re: Saddam Hussein and the "terrorists" - (GBert) - (1)
                     You'd have to plumb the mind of a Neoconman, - (Ashton)
         Another important connection to Tet - (JayMehaffey) - (2)
             Battle of Trenton - (deSitter) - (1)
                 Atlanta campaign - (GBert)
         I have two reactions to this - (Arkadiy)
         And what is thunder? - (jb4) - (3)
             actually it put me more in mind - (rcareaga) - (1)
                 Common thread.. the BornAgain neuron-confounding experience - (Ashton)
             Chocolate Thunder aka Thing 2! -NT - (bepatient)
         I feel the same way about the lottery - (GBert)

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