www.msn.com closed for Mozilla, Opera

Post #15,149 by Arkadiy 10/25/01 6:26:41 PM Reply	www.msn.com closed for Mozilla, Opera Try it. When you instruct Mozilla to pose as IE, the page is rendered fine.
Post #15,167 by static 10/25/01 9:53:13 PM Reply	Strict check for browser. Even if Opera/Linux is in IE mode, it still won't display it. Besides - who wants to go there anyway? Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #15,168 by addison 10/25/01 9:57:22 PM Reply	Hopefully, A DoJ person or two... and maybe an A.G. from a state... Addison
Post #15,232 by andread 10/26/01 8:22:09 AM Reply	Re: Hopefully, assuming you were the prosecutor what would be the alleged offense involved here? web site design? A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|http://wxxe.org]
Post #15,233 by imric 10/26/01 8:38:30 AM Reply	Well... ...just to point out that MS has not changed it's behaviour, and will likely never tolerate the existence of even potential competition. Monopoly holder or not, convicted or not, appeals denied or not, waiting for sentencing or not. Behavioural remedies will likely be useless. Fine MS, and they will pay, shrug, and consider it a cost of doing business (much like they considered the loss of market to MSN sites to be a cost for maintaining thier monopoly position) and continue thier proven illegal and abusive monopolistic behaviour. It's not something independent, or new. It would just support the prosecution. Something drastic will have to be done to Gates & Co. I favor jail time for the corporate officers. grin Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #15,379 by static 10/27/01 3:09:50 AM Reply	That's a hard one to solve. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
Post #15,245 by addison 10/26/01 9:54:36 AM Reply	Monopoly leveraging. 1) Microsoft has been found to have a monopoly on the "desktop" market, that is, the machines most commonly used to browse the internet. 2) Microsoft has bundled a browser into said desktop monopoly product. 3) Microsoft now disallows other browsers - the most likely competition, by _name alone_ from receiving data from their MSN ISP pages, thus disallowing competing product use. Monopoly leveraging. Big, Bold, Unchanged from what they got convicted for. Addison
Post #15,231 by bepatient 10/26/01 8:20:05 AM Reply	Re: Strict check for browser. Attention: Web Browser Upgrade Required to View MSN.com If you are seeing this page, we have detected that the browser that you are using will not render MSN.com correctly. Additionally, you'll see the most advanced functionality of MSN.com only with the latest version of Microsoft Internet Explorer or MSN Explorer. If you wish to visit MSN.com, please select the appropriate download link below. [link\|http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/downloads/default.asp\|Internet Explorer for Windows] [link\|http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/ie/ie_default.asp\|Internet Explorer for Macintosh] [link\|http://explorer.msn.com/home.htm\|MSN Explorer for Windows] +++++++++++++++ OS/2, Unix, Linux et al...users need not apply. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #15,209 by cforde 10/26/01 2:55:19 AM Reply	Re: www.msn.com closed for Mozilla, Opera ah, how do you tell Mozilla to pretend to be IE? I've just run through the preferences dialog and don't see it there or in prefs.js or liprefs.js Have fun, Carl Forde
Post #15,212 by kmself 10/26/01 2:56:03 AM Reply	I guess they're not worried about Galeon Works fine. Or is that my Junkbuster string? Not sure. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #15,236 by warmachine 10/26/01 9:04:32 AM Reply	Microsoft redefines XHTML compliance... because MSN isn't W3C compliant. See [link\|http://validator.w3.org/\|http://validator.w3.org/]. Microsoft Outlook - one, big, macro virus portal.
Post #15,381 by static 10/27/01 3:13:08 AM 10/27/01 3:14:20 AM Reply	Did you really have any doubts? In MS's eyes, "compliant" means "displays the way we want it to look in the latest version of Internet Explorer - all others need not apply." Could be a good shitfight if the W3C decide to riposte with "Well, msn.com isn't compliant - and if it were, there are lots of browsers that would display it correctly, not just IE." Wade. "All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!" Edited by static Oct. 27, 2001, 03:14:20 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #15,246 by admin 10/26/01 9:55:14 AM Reply	U-turn on Opera, Mozilla support [link\|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/22497.html\|The Register has it] Regards, -scott anderson
Post #15,251 by Another Scott 10/26/01 10:14:32 AM Reply	Still doesn't work with Lynx 2.8.1 though! :-P
Post #15,388 by Steve Lowe 10/27/01 5:20:04 AM Reply	Re: U-turn on Opera, Mozilla support Wasn't working with M0.9.2.1 until just now, I tried it earlier to show my brother. It works with Konqueror, too. now. ----- Steve
Post #15,392 by Andrew Grygus 10/27/01 7:32:21 AM Reply	Fixed, sometime in the wee hours. Warpzilla 0.9.5 works fine now, and Netscape 4.61 is accepted, but appearance is incomplete. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #15,443 by Ashton 10/27/01 6:14:17 PM Reply	Can you imagine The Beast ever abandoning the phrase.. for the best Full experience of the Wonderfulness of this site - please download IE at ___ .. under any circumstances imaginable (?)
Post #15,444 by Andrew Grygus 10/27/01 6:50:18 PM Reply	Oh, they'll do it again . . . . as soon as they're sentenced. This was just getting too much attention at an inopportune time. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #15,853 by andread 10/31/01 9:49:57 AM Reply	VBScript? If they really wanted to do whatever evil thing they're accused of here they could have built the site entirely with VBScript don't all your browsers refuse to use this 'on principle'? check out [link\|http://www.bobmarley.com\|http://www.bobmarley.com] A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|http://wxxe.org]
Post #15,854 by admin 10/31/01 9:53:24 AM Reply	Not that stupid. They need a retrench position. Using all VBScript wouldn't allow that. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #16,257 by Arkadiy 11/2/01 4:30:54 PM Reply	Re: VBScript? It's much harder to rewrite the entire site than simply check the client id string.

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