Post #151,452
4/16/04 3:16:14 PM
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Companies complaining about potential employees
[link|http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2004-04-16-manufacturring-help_x.htm|USA Today] Manufacturers across the USA are having problems finding qualified employees, even though millions of factory workers lost jobs in recent years.
The most recent evidence of this came Thursday in a survey of 119 manufacturers in the Mid-Atlantic region. More than half of the 93 firms that hired in the last three months said finding workers with the right skills was difficult, the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia said. The article puts a lot of blame on education. But I put more on the way companies hire people. Companies say they want hard working, creative, intelligent employees, but they hire based on key words. Companies have no interest in training, they want to find a person who has exactly the skill set they need. I've talked with a lot of people taking poor jobs also. A person making mininum wage and no benefits is not going to have much motivation. And then of course you have the companies treating people like dirt and wondering why they have no loyalty. Employers say it goes beyond skill, saying they are having problems with work ethics, which slipped during the economic boom of the late 1990s. That's as a surprise, considering nearly 3 million manufacturing jobs have been cut in the last four years.
Bob Confer of Confer Plastics in North Tonawanda, N.Y., says he has fired eight of the 18 people he has hired this year. They showed up late, didn't show up at all or didn't work hard \ufffd and those are the people he chose out of about 60 applications. I'm guessing either the job sucks or this guy doesn't know how to hire people. Jay
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Post #151,497
4/16/04 8:39:34 PM
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Right.
People can't be at fault. Has to be stupid company management.
Had a conversation over lunch with some business leaders in Drew's neck of the woods. Conversation went to workforce. The electric company had dozens of jobs available. They had hundreds of applicants they couldn't hire because most of them didn't have the fundamental math skills necessary to >read meters<.
What was the topic of discussion amongst these "so called idiots" you describe? How to improve Cleveland schools.
How can that be? All these big business types care about is the bottom line and taking from the community.
Evil they are. Simply evil.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #151,501
4/16/04 9:23:15 PM
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No child left behind?
Democracies are not well-run nor long-preserved with secrecy and lies.
--Walter Cronkite
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Post #151,503
4/16/04 10:00:46 PM
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This was in more "compassionate" times.
Pre-this administration, when all was "right" with the world and unemployment in Cleveland/Akron was a mere 15%
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #151,534
4/17/04 11:17:32 AM
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Myself, I draw a major distinction
between businesses that are O/O by a local person(s), and large public corporations. I think it has to do with the fact that the owner is not divorced from the local community, and not divorced from the ownership effect in the way that management is at a large public firm. It's the fundamental difference between being an owner and just a manager... sometimes they are the same person, sometimes they're not... and the difference is large.
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Post #151,592
4/18/04 12:32:53 PM
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You missed your calling.
You'd have made an excellent first officer in the Soviet Navy.
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Post #151,611
4/18/04 3:07:38 PM
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What?
Universal translator didn't connect your post to the previous. Sorry.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #151,613
4/18/04 3:11:43 PM
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First officers were "political officers" ;0)
Notoriously bad seamen, but tremendous propagandists. I said that because we can always count on you to defend the greatness of Murican Capitalists. :-)
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Post #151,616
4/18/04 3:18:19 PM
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Ah, I see.
You can't argue the validity of my post, so you attack me as a poster.
Good show old boy.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #151,620
4/18/04 3:30:18 PM
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Aw, c'mon.
Defending the ludicrous claims of bizness in this thread was laughable.
No offense intended.
You and I have exchanged blows long enough that you know that I do not see "two bicycle shop guys in business for themselves" in the same light as I see Exxon/Mobil.
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Post #151,634
4/18/04 5:29:15 PM
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so every american worker is a soviet hero?
willing to work as hard as possible for the bosses and singing praise for the chance? Beep is right. It is hard to find people at any level to even show up on a regular basis much less doing anything productive after they get there regardless of wage paid.
thanx,
bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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Post #151,642
4/18/04 6:12:03 PM
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Beg pardon.
I don't know where you've been working, but the people at my company (with a few exceptions, who are no longer with us) seem to all be a hardworking bunch.
Must have something to do with the fact that (for the most part) the company treats us fairly, and doesn't jack us on stupid shit.
Treat your employees with respect, and they'll respect you. Don't, and, well...
Nobody wins in a butter eating contest
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Post #151,643
4/18/04 6:17:30 PM
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You are in the pharm industry, different players.
in your yute did you ever work low end manufacturing, assembly janitorial or food service, construction labor. I have hired folks to do sweepout, they make same as me cash on the barrel and after a couple of hours of leaning on a broom the exclaim "gotta corkle off now, wheres my time" the fuckers demanded top dollar for shit I had to redo! About 5 out of 40 that particular summer were worth a shit.
thanx,
bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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Post #151,645
4/18/04 6:44:20 PM
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Done a bit of that...
...and you're right, the quality drops a bit there. However, I don't see it as 90% - it's more like about 50%. Then again, I did work at the cult-controlled Dairy Queen...
Nobody wins in a butter eating contest
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Post #151,703
4/18/04 10:38:44 PM
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What?
I wasn't having lunch with Barney in HR here.
These were large company owners and large corporate CEO folks here.
Those evil Fortune 500 folks were genuinely worried about education. They were all also very involved in local events.
But they're not supposed to care, those evil bastards.
Sorry bud, but even Exxon/Mobil is an organization of >human beings<. You seem to like to paint all of these folks, obviously without ever spending any time with them (or anyone like them) with a very wide brush.
Its just as offensive to me as simple prejudice based on color.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #151,741
4/19/04 9:55:36 AM
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Um, I have spent some time with them.
Regularly in Detroit as a matter of fact. And not Fortune 500, Fortune 100 (including some in the Fortune 10). It's not even about money or wealth accumulation at that level - it's power. Why else would billionaire's do anything but sip cool drinks with little hats in them in the Carribean?
The *care* for the common man? ROFLMAO! Did the CEO of AT & T *care* about the 20,000+ operators he laid off and consequently enjoyed a 6 million dollar gain personally?
Look all you want through those Disney rose colored glasses. These guys see their employees as resources to be consumed, laws to protect workers rights as anti-American to the point that they purchase Governors, Congressmen and Senators to get them stricken, laws to protect clean drinking water as vile intrusions into their right to be more productive, etc. ad nauseum.
Education what they want? Maybe, but what they want is more rightly called indoctrination. Big companies are big because they're supposed to be, all this worry about stuff like Corvairs, Thalidamide, melting ice caps and the hole in the ozone layer are just Chicken Little stuff from loonies on the Left, etc. Buy ours, buy it now, it will make you whole. Identify yourself not with your community, state or country but with the corporation you serve (after all, your country is just a conglomerate of very large multi-nationals anyway). You owe us because we employ you. Wealthy people who own corporations are what make this country great - don't tax them, tax yourselves. It's okay and sometimes necessary to deceive your direct reports. Greed is never enough. I could go on with literally thousands of examples, but I'm sure we've all heard some variant of them repeatedly (at least the folks who were raised here to be good consumers).
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Post #151,753
4/19/04 10:47:29 AM
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No point
Here's hoping that you never have to make one of those decisions, lest you become what you so obviously hate.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #151,771
4/19/04 12:29:11 PM
4/19/04 12:31:19 PM
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No worries.
I have a conscience and am therefore excluded from entry into management of any kind, let alone management of the vaunted Fortune 500.
Edited by mmoffitt
April 19, 2004, 12:31:19 PM EDT
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Post #151,510
4/16/04 11:11:57 PM
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Don't have enough info
But I disagree on principle.
Most people I know want to extract the max amount of pay for the minimum amount of work.
Maybe this guy just figures he doesn't have to put up with it.
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Post #151,557
4/18/04 12:56:17 AM
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I say both.
Employers are out to extract the maximum work for the minimum salary.
Employees are out to extract the maximum salary for a minimum amount of work.
Case in point: Our company just went through a quarter where the amount of work we did went up 50% (!) with no increase in the number of employees, payed hours, or complaints. Basically, it worked because the salaried employees put in huge amounts of overtime (unsustainable) and everybody else busted their asses as well. (also unsustainable)
The CEO takes off immediately after this for cancer treatments - he has a probably fatal form of cancer, can't remember the name of the disease. One of the owners steps in as CEO, and first thing out of his mouth is, "you guys did so good handling the increased workload, we're not hiring any more people or increasing the hours."
Howling ensued. Owner ran with his tail between legs, and the rest of us got back to work.
Oh yeah, and new hiring has been authorized.
Nobody wins in a butter eating contest
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Post #151,810
4/19/04 1:57:16 PM
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Sounds like ITAA is greasing USAToday
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