Post #150,490
4/8/04 1:28:10 AM
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What where four contractors doing in Fallujah anyway?
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A53059-2004Apr5?language=printer|WashingtonPost] The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company. That is the story put before the press. But I see some problems with that story. First, why use four expensive ex-military guys to gaurd food, a squad of Iraqi soldiers would have been more effective and cheaper. Second, none of the stories I have seen have put them anywhere near a convoy of supplies. Third, who in their right might would route a convoy through Fallujah anyway, a town that the military avoided entering. I wondering if these guys might have been doing something else, such as a CIA or military intelligence operation gone bad. They might have been trying to slip into Fallujah to gather intelligence and when it sour they had to provide a cover story since the Blackwater guys are not allowed to do military work. Or I might need to get a tinfoil hat. Jay
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Post #150,492
4/8/04 1:53:26 AM
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Earning $1K/day?
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Post #150,530
4/8/04 1:04:10 PM
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I can't find a link
but I've read that they were delivering food for Fallujah, and they went through the town itself as the shortest route - there was some screwup, and they were behind schedule. They figured that a major ambush would not be possible on a road going through the center of a town. They were wrong.
The article I read (and can't find) does mention trucks getting away from the massacre, so these guys fulfilled their mission.
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Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them.
--Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum
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Post #150,532
4/8/04 1:24:39 PM
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Maybe so...
Maybe they were guarding a food shipment... but there's no doubt in my mind that it was a part of a wide complex of death-squad program related activities.
Giovanni
I'm not a complete idiot -- some parts are missing
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Post #150,577
4/8/04 8:45:33 PM
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and *why* do they love us over there?
One Chris Lehmann (I don't know him from Adam, but he seems to have a blog with a following and does not, unlike some empty hats I can think of, cower behind a nom de guerre) vouches for the following account from, he says, a friend working as a "contractor" in Iraq: I know about the news. We need Collin Powell back in charge. Discipline is slipping in the forces and it reminds one of the Viet-Nam pictures of old. Instead of a professional military outfit here we have a bunch of cowboys and vigilantes running wild in the streets. The ugly American has never been so evident. Someone in charge needs to drop the hammer on this lack of discipline, especially that which is being hown by the Special Forces, security contractors, and "other government agencies". We won the war but that doesn't mean we can treat the people of this couotry with contempt and disregard with no thought to the consequences. Those contractors, just like the last ones who were killed, were out running free with no military escort. Armed or not, that is a breach of protocol and a severe security risk. While I grieve for the families of those persons I would like to see the person who decided that it was alright for them to convoy out there without the military brought up on charges, unless of course that person was in the convoy, in which case at least he won't be getting anyone else killed. I'm angry about how we're treating peope here. I know it's not the entire military, in fact it is a very small, select group that believes they are somehow above the law of not ony this land but also the law of the military and those laws we hold dear in ouor own country. If someone were to try to treat our fellow Americans the way some of these people are treating the Iraquis the courts would certainly lock them away. I would phrase that last line harsher, but in light of recent events that would be cruel. Discipline is needed here, and I'm not certain that our current administration is prepared to take the steps necessary to crack down on all of this. In order for discipline to be restored I do believe Donald Rumsfield would have to admit that perhaps Powell's rules of war were in fact valid. [link|http://www.beaconschool.org/~clehmann/MT/archives/001766.php|http://www.beaconsch...chives/001766.php] And we have this from Salon: Farther down the U.S. military chain of command, there are also others who understand the general disenchantment. "I really don't care for the Iraqi people, I don't care about helping them get back on their feet," an Army captain stationed in the Sunni triangle wrote home to his family last year. "However, I don't condone stealing from them, hurting them unnecessarily or threatening them with violence if it is not needed. We will never win hearts and minds here, but what these guys are doing is wrong."
The young officer was referring to his neighboring unit, who, as he related, had been robbing Iraqis during house raids and other security operations -- a phenomenon widely reported by Iraqis the length and breadth of the country, though for the most part discreetly unmentioned in the U.S. press. Yet it represents merely the bottom-most and crudest layer of an occupation that Iraqis have come to regard as both cruel and corrupt.
Even if they escape casual robbery at roadblocks, Iraqis know that, despite the billions allegedly disbursed by the U.S. for reconstruction, the electricity is still off for most of the day, hospitals are short of the most basic medicines, and the chances of finding a job are slim -- especially for their wives and daughters, who in any case must brave rape or kidnap whenever they venture out the door. They also know about the rich pickings enjoyed by those Iraqis favored by the occupiers, such as members of the handpicked Governing Council pushing their way through the traffic in their convoys of white U.S.-supplied SUVs -- and the even richer pickings garnered by those at the top of the corruption pyramid, such as Halliburton. [link|http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/04/08/occupation/index.html|http://www.salon.com...pation/index.html] It's just a whisper as yet, but among the commentators of the right, in print and online, I get a sense of the early draft of an exit strategy, or rather of a PR offensive, being test-marketed, and that is that the Iraqis just weren't worthy of our heroism, our generosity, of the blood and treasure we selflessly sacrificed on their behalf, and that if they persist in their swinish ingratitude we—having accomplished the important mission of removing Saddam Hussein, who would have had 20,000 multiple-warhead ICBMs deployed by now if we hadn't saved the world by intervening—well, darn it, we'll just leave these bad people to stew in the rubble. I doubt that the junta will pull out before next fall, but if they do, that's how they'd sell it, I believe. cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #150,579
4/8/04 9:27:17 PM
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and the love keeps growing
It comes under the heading of "law of unintended consequences," I suppose, but Iraq's Sunnis and Shiites—historically not much friendlier to one another than Belfast's papists and Orangemen during the marching season—are now apparently getting along like a house on fire. Actually, several houses are on fire: BAGHDAD, April 8 \ufffd The convoy chugged into the mosque today with signature black Shiite flags flapping from the pickup trucks. Carried in back were sacks of grain, flour, sugar and rice. And gallons of tomato juice, crates of oranges, vats of cooking oil and boxes of powdered milk.
Though the food donations were coming from Shiite families, and in many cases poor families with little to spare, the collecting point was a Sunni mosque. And though Shiite holy men were the ones organizing the food drive, the recipients were the besieged residents of Falluja, a city in the heart of the Sunni triangle that has now become an icon of resistance.
"Sunni, Shia, that doesn't matter anymore," said Sabah Saddam, a 32-year-old government clerk who took the day off to drive one of the supply trucks. "These were artificial distinctions. The people in Falluja are starving. They are Iraqis and they need our help." [link|http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/international/middleeast/08CND-SHIA.html?hp|http://www.nytimes.c...8CND-SHIA.html?hp] How about that? The same article goes on to say that When American soldiers invaded the country a year ago, preventing a civil war between Shiites, who make up the majority, and Sunnis, who used to hold all the power, was one of the Bush administration's chief concerns. It seems to be working: THOUSANDS of Sunni and Shiite Muslims forced their way through US military checkpoints Thursday to ferry food and medical supplies to the besieged Sunni bastion of Fallujah where US marines are trying to crush insurgents.
Troops in armoured vehicles tried to stop the convoy of cars and pedestrians from reaching the town located 50 kilometers west of Baghdad.
But US forces were overwhelmed as residents of villages west of the capital came to the convoy's assistance, hurling insults and stones at the beleaguered troops.
Some 20 kilometers west of Baghdad, a US patrol was attacked just moments before the Iraqi marchers arrived. Armed insurgents could be seen dancing around two blazing military vehicles.
Two US Humvees tried to stop the marchers but were forced to drive off as residents joined the marchers, shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is greater).
US troops again blocked the highway further west, but were forced to let the Iraqis past as they came under a hail of stones.
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The marchers set off from the Um al-Qora mosque in west Baghdad where wellwishers donated food, drinks and medicine.
"No Sunnis, no Shiites, yes for Islamic unity," the marchers chanted. "We are Sunni and Shiite brothers and will never sell our country." [link|http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9231695%255E2,00.html|http://www.news.com....695%255E2,00.html] Perhaps the flight-suit strut on the carrier in front of the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner was a bit over the top (you think?), but this one accomplishment, the papering over of an enmity of long standing, Bush must be granted, and if he is further granted a second term I do not doubt but that before he's done he'll have engineered the reconciliations of, or at least alliances of convenience between, many another set of ancient enemies around the world. cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #150,584
4/8/04 9:50:52 PM
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He did say he was a uniter, not a divider.
-- Chris Altmann
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Post #150,932
4/12/04 7:36:09 PM
4/13/04 4:01:04 AM
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Over Easter, press here reported they were led to trap
Story is that they arrived in the convoy at outskirts of town where the Iraqi 'police' (security soldiers), in uniform, were to meet them and guide them thru town. All seemed legitimate except the police led them down a different road to the main one they should have used & the lead Iraqi guard escort vehicles then blocked the road in front while people appeared from the sides.
The Blackwater men had realised something was wrong & had turned their vehicle around but copped 3 grenades. Three died almost instantly & a 4th crawled out of the vehicle but was beaten to death with rocks, by a gathering mob. Then the SUV was torched etc: etc: etc:.
Seems the US troops who have gone into Falluja have been given the green light to let the inhabitents know - painfully - that US troops can also kill mercilessly & mutilate corpses.
Doug M

Edited by dmarker
April 13, 2004, 04:01:04 AM EDT
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