Post #148,144
3/24/04 12:03:17 PM
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I don't want to be a meanie, Norm, but...
If you can't get Linux running, then your chances of getting proprietary UNIX going are nil.
I installed Solaris 9 for x86 on a test box at work and even I had do it four or five times before I felt comfortable enough with the installer to do it for real.
The likes of HP-UX and AIX have installers that are best described as vile.
Believe me, even Slackware has an easy installer compared to proprietary UNIX. (Apple Mac OS X being the glaring exception, of course :))
If you think you can fake it, try telling me how you set the default gateway on a Solaris box, and why you can't use shadow passwords and NIS+ at the same time.
I'm not a fulltime UNIX admin, (or even a part-time one), and you wouldn't even be able to bullshit me. Your chances with these fellers is somewhat less :)
Don't think I'm being mean; I just want you to understand that while you've got (and are continuing to get) yourself some good skills, UNIX ain't it.
Peter
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Post #148,147
3/24/04 12:08:10 PM
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Re: I don't want to be a meanie, Norm, but...
HP-UX was easy.
Insert tape and hit "go". Of course if something goes wrong...but it never does, does it?
-drl
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Post #148,154
3/24/04 12:22:07 PM
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Uh, riiiiight.
H-Pukes is the devil's spawn.
-YendorMike
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Post #148,157
3/24/04 12:28:24 PM
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Re: Uh, riiiiight.
When I installed it (enough times to get a feel) it was this:
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Basic HP-UX11 install
* Picking a keyboard: Ours are of the types PS2_DIN_{UK,US}_English(_Euro)?. Dollar key means `US'; pound key means `UK'; Euro key means `add _Euro'.
* User interface options: Use the `Remote Installation' on the Ignite-UX server; before I had such a server, I picked `Advanced Installation'.
* `Basic' tab:
You seem to get 64-bit HP-UX 11 if the machine will support it and 32-bit if not. Fair enough; we'll go with that.
Swap: for 512M machine, I did 1024M swap; for 1G machine, I did 1536M swap.
Under `Additional...': For a machine with two+ small disks (< 4GB), I put all disks in root volume group; striped those disks in the root VG.
In all cases, I did `NO' for `save patched files'.
We also do 'Disable DHCP', because we don't use it.
* `Software' tab: nothing to do.
* `System' tab:
Hostname and IP address as you would expect.
Put in our standard DNS servers.
Put in our standard NTP server.
* `File system' tab:
See disk configuration page... In particular, do account for special disk-hogging system software (e.g. Ignite-UX) that might go on the box.
Under `Additional Tasks'->`Advanced FS Params', set `Largefiles' to YES for the /._disk1 partition.
* `Advanced' tab: nothing to do.
After all of that, press `Go!'
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That's about it. If the hardware is all standard HP hardware (why would it not be?) nothing should go wrong. I'd say it was roughly like installing Red Hat 5.
-drl
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Post #148,233
3/24/04 5:21:52 PM
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Oh but you are a meanie, nothing you can do about it.
I used SunOS not Solaris, but I assume them to be about the same. If like SunOS, then it is a routing table in the etc directory. My best guess would be a *gateways file. In case of Solaris it would be tsolgateways. If one does not exist, then defaultrouter would be used instead.
NIS+, I assume you mean Network Information Services. NIS+ supports the passwd.adjunct map, very simular to the etc/shadow method. /etc/nsswitch.conf gets changed after ypserv and ypbind are started. The process will have to be restarted. Using etc/shadow to create the passwd-map will not work properly. $PWDIR/security/passwd.adjunct should be used instead. Still there are problems and a non-shadowed password file may have to be created to get around this.
But I admit I am a bit rusty and have not used these skills since 1997/1998.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,245
3/24/04 5:48:12 PM
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You've googled.
You lose. :-)
Peter
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Post #148,256
3/24/04 6:04:30 PM
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tad obvious I would say :-)
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Post #148,259
3/24/04 6:07:38 PM
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To a genuine UNIX admin, yes.
To Norm, no.
Peter
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Post #148,307
3/24/04 7:57:58 PM
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So you say
and I knew you would say that no matter what I posted.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,347
3/24/04 9:26:27 PM
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In that, you're almost definitely wrong
Without googling, the following should be obvious to any admin.
Shadowed passwords exist as a way to do local authentication with the password not stored in the publically readable passwd file.
NIS exists as a way to centralize authentication across many systems. It moves password checking to a remote system.
The answer that would have suggested that you actually understood what was going on would be to point out that the purpose of shadowed passwords and NIS contradict each other. You either check passwords locally or remotely. Changing how you do it locally when the data is remote is pointless.
The worst possible answer would be to supply large amounts of gratuitous detail (of exactly the kind that you can Google for) without indicating any conceptual grasp of what is going on.
And that is what you did.
Regards,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
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Post #148,351
3/24/04 9:30:18 PM
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actually you can do both
If I am local to the box I can have a shadowed passwd and a different NIS passwd and flag which to use. An example of such is recovery of a root passwd when an admin has been removed and the NIS maintainers cannot be reached in an emergency.
thanx,
bill
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Post #148,356
3/24/04 9:36:54 PM
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I was wondering about that...
My assumption was that Peter was right in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=148144|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=148144] that the two couldn't be used at the same time. Bad assumption, but I didn't claim to be an admin. (Quite the contrary in fact.)
Also it is still true that they can't be used at the same time on the same account. And that is true for exactly the reason that I gave.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
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Post #148,430
3/25/04 1:57:09 AM
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I should have been more specific.
Sorry for any confusion.
The point stands, though.
Peter
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Post #148,394
3/24/04 10:50:56 PM
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PAM does that too, IIRC
You set the rules to look in NIS first, local second.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #148,414
3/24/04 11:55:04 PM
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That is the way I do things
The worst possible answer would be to supply large amounts of gratuitous detail (of exactly the kind that you can Google for) without indicating any conceptual grasp of what is going on.
I always supply large amounts of gratuitous detail without indicating any conceptual grasp of what is going on. Stream of unending conscience and all that, you know. ;) Obviously you have not paid attention to any of my posts for the past 6 years or however long I have been posting them as. If I googled it would have been word for word and explained it better than I explained it. But I have been branded as a Googler, and I hate Google with a passion and do not want to use it. I have stated that before, and I am only repeating myself yet again to someone who obviously did not pay attention to my previous posts. So you and Peter can have your reality on that. I don't care what you two think anymore.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,632
3/25/04 8:22:18 PM
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There are ways to actually have both.
But as you pointed out this is typically a stupid thing.
Reasons being sometimes an alternate authentication system needs to be defined to guarantee access to remote systems even when the primary and perhaps secondary authentication systems are unavailable.
But, given that now a days there are other ways to get access (RIB Boards, Remote KVMs etc...) this makes entirely ZERO sense.
--
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Post #148,348
3/24/04 9:26:54 PM
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Norm there was enough misinformation in yer post
to indicate that you read it but didnt understand it.
thanx,
bill
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Post #148,415
3/24/04 11:56:37 PM
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There is always Misinformation in my posts
or haven't you been paying attention to my posts either?
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,460
3/25/04 8:23:11 AM
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You claim you didnt lookup the answers
the answer you gave indicated that you read the material you posted but didnt understand it. You could not have remembered this because it never worked that way. So you checked online and posted what you thought were the answers, no biggie, we all do that. But quit protesting that you didnt.
thanx,
bill
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Post #148,603
3/25/04 6:43:29 PM
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Fine if it shuts you up
I did lookup the answers. The Internet is a very valuable research tool, and I cannot understand why using it to find something or verify something is seen as a bad thing. No different than reading a book.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,635
3/25/04 8:30:20 PM
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Actually you are correct.
But you said you were qualified.
You lease on being qualified as an Admin is up... you forgot to pay the rent about 5 years ago.
Give up trying to impress us. You will never Measure up, with you lame attempts to install linux and now accidentally stumble upon answers that you should ALSO found on the internet.
You claim the Internet is a resource, you never used it before to fix your issues with learning linux, why should you start now, just to prove our point for us.
You are absolutely a person that has some understanding of things, but you run out of steam very quickly as you use the whole thing up.
Please stop this, it garners no respect or good reputation.
--
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'In view of the fact that Microsoft is acondemned monopolist and on the other hand the internal messages andfinancial transactions of SCO look ever doubtful, Microsoft should bereally anxious that to the own company something does not remainsticking from the Gestank of the SCO.' --Plagarized from [link|http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040322133607169|GROKLAW]
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Post #149,966
4/4/04 12:24:51 PM
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I did fix my Linux problems on my own
thank you very much. I am reading Howtos and FAQs to get what I can out of them.
True I never was able to reach my potential, I have too many walls in my way to reach it.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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