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Post #148,039 by ben_tilly 3/23/04 10:46:43 PM Reply	You don't qualify They also specify, Three or more years UNIX system administration experience. You have 0. You haven't even managed to get Linux up and running. You are entirely missing basic skillsets that they need. If you don't believe me, then try to take their test. If you can't do the work on the test, why would anyone think that you can do it in real life? Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #148,112 by orion 3/24/04 10:21:51 AM Reply	Maybe I do, maybe I don't It is Modern Linux I cannot get up and running. Not the same as Unix in general. In 1995 I was able to get Slackware Linux up and running with no problems. Of course Slackware has less bells and whistles and things that can go wrong. I consulted with other Linux people in my area and they looked at my systems I tried to install Linux on, and they told me it is a hardware issue of Linux not supporting the hardware I am using, or hardware so old it has problems. I am tempted to just install Linux by myself on a different system and see what happens. I guess you never read my resume? I did work on HPUX, SunOS, and others when I was a Federal Contractor for 2 years. When I worked for 3 years at a tool maker, we used AIX. When I ran a Small Business we used Slackware Linux for 2 years. In one version of my resume I took off most of my Unix experience because it disqualifies me for Microsoft shops. Cobble it all together and it is over 5 years experience, and as I said it should be easy to fake it as well. ;) I did get Red Hat 9.0 running on my brother's system, by the way, just that WINE couldn't run his Video Games, so he went back to XP. I have a system almost like it which runs W2K Pro and deSitter was going to use VNC to install Linux on it, I might just try to install Linux myself. But I cannot decide between Debian, Fedora, or SuSE. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,126 by ben_tilly 3/24/04 11:04:14 AM Reply	If you think that you qualify... Go ahead and take their test. It isn't like it costs anything. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #148,131 by mmoffitt 3/24/04 11:08:07 AM Reply	Why be proven wrong when you don't have to? bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #148,226 by orion 3/24/04 5:04:43 PM Reply	I have to do something first #1 Install Linux and OpenSSH #2 Generate SSH key. #3 Send it in. #4 Find the time out of my busy schedule to take the test. Right now I am getting ready for vacation for a week. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,234 by ben_tilly 3/24/04 5:22:10 PM Reply	Let's just say this I don't think that you're qualified for the job. (In fact I strongly suspect that I'm probably better qualified than you are, and I know that I'm not qualified.) If you care to prove me wrong, you know how to do it. If you don't care, then don't. But if you don't try and in the future ever dare claim that you were qualified, my opinion of you will drop even farther than it has already. Regards, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #148,304 by orion 3/24/04 7:54:06 PM Reply	You may be right but I find it odd that your opinion of me can drop any lower. I admit that I am not qualified, I need a refresher course anyway. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,354 by ben_tilly 3/24/04 9:32:51 PM Reply	Not odd at all You haven't yet struck me as someone who would push an unfounded claim to skills that evidence suggests you lack. Therefore it is clearly possible for you to worsten the opinion that I have of you. And I described above one way you could do it. If you did that, you still wouldn't have hit bottom. For instance I don't have the impression that you are an abusive person, prone to inflicting violence on people around you. And so my opinion can go lower. There really isn't a worst possible opinion that I can hold of someone. There are even ways that I'm supportive of George Bush. (eg I believe that he has a good memory for people. I may not like how he uses that ability, but I think that he has it.) Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #148,413 by orion 3/24/04 11:48:33 PM Reply	I may have had them at one time or thought I did Like my C Language skills, I got rusty in them. I got A+ in both my C and Advanced C classes over 15 years ago, but now have a hard time writing simple C programs. Could be due to my mental illness and medical conditions, could be due to not using them in the past 6 or 7 years. Even my Visual BASIC skills have suffered a bit since 2001. I thought, hey maybe I could apply for a job and see what happens. Guess I am not qualified for any job then. Recent postings from others to me have knocked my confidence level down really low and I am not sure if I can do anything anymore. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,543 by ben_tilly 3/25/04 2:34:24 PM Reply	Your confidence level is your problem. I'm not going to coddle your past behaviour or current problems. I'm just pointing out that very few around here have much patience with people who claim to have a lot of skills that they don't. We're pretty good at noticing BS. We've all been burned by it. And we see no reason to accept it. Regards, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #148,604 by orion 3/25/04 6:45:38 PM 3/25/04 6:46:49 PM Reply	Not my only problem dealing with negative people is another problem of mine. So is dealing with stress. So is having everything I do questioned, probed, examined, overanalyzed, misdiagnosed, and having conclusions jumped to. I just am unable to do any job, or describe or communicate what I know to anyone's satisfaction. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"* Edited by orion March 25, 2004, 06:46:49 PM EST Expand All History
Post #148,140 by pwhysall 3/24/04 11:51:29 AM Reply	Do you know how to obtain your SSH key? Yes or no will do. No googling, now :) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #148,225 by orion 3/24/04 5:01:27 PM Reply	Yes I do ssh-keygen part of OpenSSH I think. If I am wrong, it is because I haven't done this sort of stuff in a while. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,144 by pwhysall 3/24/04 12:03:17 PM Reply	I don't want to be a meanie, Norm, but... If you can't get Linux running, then your chances of getting proprietary UNIX going are nil. I installed Solaris 9 for x86 on a test box at work and even I had do it four or five times before I felt comfortable enough with the installer to do it for real. The likes of HP-UX and AIX have installers that are best described as vile. Believe me, even Slackware has an easy installer compared to proprietary UNIX. (Apple Mac OS X being the glaring exception, of course :)) If you think you can fake it, try telling me how you set the default gateway on a Solaris box, and why you can't use shadow passwords and NIS+ at the same time. I'm not a fulltime UNIX admin, (or even a part-time one), and you wouldn't even be able to bullshit me. Your chances with these fellers is somewhat less :) Don't think I'm being mean; I just want you to understand that while you've got (and are continuing to get) yourself some good skills, UNIX ain't it. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #148,147 by deSitter 3/24/04 12:08:10 PM Reply	Re: I don't want to be a meanie, Norm, but... HP-UX was easy. Insert tape and hit "go". Of course if something goes wrong...but it never does, does it? -drl
Post #148,154 by Yendor 3/24/04 12:22:07 PM Reply	Uh, riiiiight. H-Pukes is the devil's spawn. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #148,157 by deSitter 3/24/04 12:28:24 PM Reply	Re: Uh, riiiiight. When I installed it (enough times to get a feel) it was this: ========================= Basic HP-UX11 install * Picking a keyboard: Ours are of the types PS2_DIN_{UK,US}_English(_Euro)?. Dollar key means `US'; pound key means `UK'; Euro key means `add _Euro'. * User interface options: Use the `Remote Installation' on the Ignite-UX server; before I had such a server, I picked `Advanced Installation'. * `Basic' tab: You seem to get 64-bit HP-UX 11 if the machine will support it and 32-bit if not. Fair enough; we'll go with that. Swap: for 512M machine, I did 1024M swap; for 1G machine, I did 1536M swap. Under `Additional...': For a machine with two+ small disks (< 4GB), I put all disks in root volume group; striped those disks in the root VG. In all cases, I did `NO' for `save patched files'. We also do 'Disable DHCP', because we don't use it. * `Software' tab: nothing to do. * `System' tab: Hostname and IP address as you would expect. Put in our standard DNS servers. Put in our standard NTP server. * `File system' tab: See disk configuration page... In particular, do account for special disk-hogging system software (e.g. Ignite-UX) that might go on the box. Under `Additional Tasks'->`Advanced FS Params', set `Largefiles' to YES for the /._disk1 partition. * `Advanced' tab: nothing to do. After all of that, press `Go!' ============================== That's about it. If the hardware is all standard HP hardware (why would it not be?) nothing should go wrong. I'd say it was roughly like installing Red Hat 5. -drl
Post #148,233 by orion 3/24/04 5:21:52 PM Reply	Oh but you are a meanie, nothing you can do about it. I used SunOS not Solaris, but I assume them to be about the same. If like SunOS, then it is a routing table in the etc directory. My best guess would be a gateways file. In case of Solaris it would be tsolgateways. If one does not exist, then defaultrouter would be used instead. NIS+, I assume you mean Network Information Services. NIS+ supports the passwd.adjunct map, very simular to the etc/shadow method. /etc/nsswitch.conf gets changed after ypserv and ypbind are started. The process will have to be restarted. Using etc/shadow to create the passwd-map will not work properly. $PWDIR/security/passwd.adjunct should be used instead. Still there are problems and a non-shadowed password file may have to be created to get around this. But I admit I am a bit rusty and have not used these skills since 1997/1998. "Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,245 by pwhysall 3/24/04 5:48:12 PM Reply	You've googled. You lose. :-) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #148,256 by boxley 3/24/04 6:04:30 PM Reply	tad obvious I would say :-) In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #148,259 by pwhysall 3/24/04 6:07:38 PM Reply	To a genuine UNIX admin, yes. To Norm, no. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #148,307 by orion 3/24/04 7:57:58 PM Reply	So you say and I knew you would say that no matter what I posted. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,347 by ben_tilly 3/24/04 9:26:27 PM Reply	In that, you're almost definitely wrong Without googling, the following should be obvious to any admin. Shadowed passwords exist as a way to do local authentication with the password not stored in the publically readable passwd file. NIS exists as a way to centralize authentication across many systems. It moves password checking to a remote system. The answer that would have suggested that you actually understood what was going on would be to point out that the purpose of shadowed passwords and NIS contradict each other. You either check passwords locally or remotely. Changing how you do it locally when the data is remote is pointless. The worst possible answer would be to supply large amounts of gratuitous detail (of exactly the kind that you can Google for) without indicating any conceptual grasp of what is going on. And that is what you did. Regards, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #148,351 by boxley 3/24/04 9:30:18 PM Reply	actually you can do both If I am local to the box I can have a shadowed passwd and a different NIS passwd and flag which to use. An example of such is recovery of a root passwd when an admin has been removed and the NIS maintainers cannot be reached in an emergency. thanx, bill In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #148,356 by ben_tilly 3/24/04 9:36:54 PM Reply	I was wondering about that... My assumption was that Peter was right in [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=148144\|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=148144] that the two couldn't be used at the same time. Bad assumption, but I didn't claim to be an admin. (Quite the contrary in fact.) Also it is still true that they can't be used at the same time on the same account. And that is true for exactly the reason that I gave. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #148,430 by pwhysall 3/25/04 1:57:09 AM Reply	I should have been more specific. Sorry for any confusion. The point stands, though. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #148,394 by admin 3/24/04 10:50:56 PM Reply	PAM does that too, IIRC You set the rules to look in NIS first, local second. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #148,414 by orion 3/24/04 11:55:04 PM Reply	That is the way I do things The worst possible answer would be to supply large amounts of gratuitous detail (of exactly the kind that you can Google for) without indicating any conceptual grasp of what is going on. I always supply large amounts of gratuitous detail without indicating any conceptual grasp of what is going on. Stream of unending conscience and all that, you know. ;) Obviously you have not paid attention to any of my posts for the past 6 years or however long I have been posting them as. If I googled it would have been word for word and explained it better than I explained it. But I have been branded as a Googler, and I hate Google with a passion and do not want to use it. I have stated that before, and I am only repeating myself yet again to someone who obviously did not pay attention to my previous posts. So you and Peter can have your reality on that. I don't care what you two think anymore. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,632 by folkert 3/25/04 8:22:18 PM Reply	There are ways to actually have both. But as you pointed out this is typically a stupid thing. Reasons being sometimes an alternate authentication system needs to be defined to guarantee access to remote systems even when the primary and perhaps secondary authentication systems are unavailable. But, given that now a days there are other ways to get access (RIB Boards, Remote KVMs etc...) this makes entirely ZERO sense. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* 'In view of the fact that Microsoft is acondemned monopolist and on the other hand the internal messages andfinancial transactions of SCO look ever doubtful, Microsoft should bereally anxious that to the own company something does not remainsticking from the Gestank of the SCO.' --Plagarized from [link\|http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040322133607169\|GROKLAW]
Post #148,348 by boxley 3/24/04 9:26:54 PM Reply	Norm there was enough misinformation in yer post to indicate that you read it but didnt understand it. thanx, bill In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #148,415 by orion 3/24/04 11:56:37 PM Reply	There is always Misinformation in my posts or haven't you been paying attention to my posts either? *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,460 by boxley 3/25/04 8:23:11 AM Reply	You claim you didnt lookup the answers the answer you gave indicated that you read the material you posted but didnt understand it. You could not have remembered this because it never worked that way. So you checked online and posted what you thought were the answers, no biggie, we all do that. But quit protesting that you didnt. thanx, bill In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #148,603 by orion 3/25/04 6:43:29 PM Reply	Fine if it shuts you up I did lookup the answers. The Internet is a very valuable research tool, and I cannot understand why using it to find something or verify something is seen as a bad thing. No different than reading a book. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #148,635 by folkert 3/25/04 8:30:20 PM Reply	Actually you are correct. But you said you were qualified. You lease on being qualified as an Admin is up... you forgot to pay the rent about 5 years ago. Give up trying to impress us. You will never Measure up, with you lame attempts to install linux and now accidentally stumble upon answers that you should ALSO found on the internet. You claim the Internet is a resource, you never used it before to fix your issues with learning linux, why should you start now, just to prove our point for us. You are absolutely a person that has some understanding of things, but you run out of steam very quickly as you use the whole thing up. Please stop this, it garners no respect or good reputation. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* 'In view of the fact that Microsoft is acondemned monopolist and on the other hand the internal messages andfinancial transactions of SCO look ever doubtful, Microsoft should bereally anxious that to the own company something does not remainsticking from the Gestank of the SCO.' --Plagarized from [link\|http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040322133607169\|GROKLAW]
Post #149,966 by orion 4/4/04 12:24:51 PM Reply	I did fix my Linux problems on my own thank you very much. I am reading Howtos and FAQs to get what I can out of them. True I never was able to reach my potential, I have too many walls in my way to reach it. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*

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