Post #147,925
3/23/04 6:18:59 PM
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One way to filter for technical people :-)
Take a look at [link|http://jobs.perl.org/job/1328|http://jobs.perl.org/job/1328] to see the technique.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #147,927
3/23/04 6:21:22 PM
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"Fearlessness"?
Hmm. Is that really what they want?
Cheers,
Scott.
(The public SSH key is a nice touch...)
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Post #147,932
3/23/04 6:41:28 PM
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Yeah, that and a digital certificate.
The certificate is a new one on me...I wonder how you get one of those?
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #147,933
3/23/04 6:44:55 PM
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Easy peasy.
man ssh-keygen
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #147,936
3/23/04 6:48:35 PM
3/23/04 6:50:13 PM
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man?!?
Just because you're "familiar with all levels of UNIX administration", doesn't mean you actually use one....
;-)
And besides, until they allow us to start up 'man' with 'less' instead of 'more', man will forever remain the vi of help!
(But thanks for the info, Scott...Filed appropriately in the "When I finally get Linux lit at home" file!)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Edited by jb4
March 23, 2004, 06:50:13 PM EST
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Post #147,937
3/23/04 6:49:16 PM
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Then I suspect you don't qualify anyway... ;-)
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #147,938
3/23/04 6:51:53 PM
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Guilty as charged....
But I'm chomping at the bit for a useful 2.6 kernel distro...so I can start prosyletising the masses to use Linux in the embedded space (where I work!).
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #147,939
3/23/04 6:53:28 PM
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Debian.
aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686 (or kernel-image-2.6-k7 if you have an Athlon)
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #148,229
3/24/04 5:15:12 PM
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Just found out that SuSE 9.1's got it
Available in May (which is about as long as it'll take to get my wife to agree to let me spend the $90 (SMRP) on it...;-) )
And I don't mind spending money on Novell (even though the just about finished the job Micros~1 started on my beloved WordPerfect).
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #147,947
3/23/04 7:56:49 PM
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And we see that their filter worked
Any Unix admin who won't look in a man page doesn't deserve the job. Anyone who thinks that they are familiar with all levels of Unix administration who can't set up Cygwin if they don't have Linux, probably isn't as familiar as initially claimed.
And on my system, at least, man actually does use less. Not being a sysadmin, I don't know what the trick is. (Note, I'm not qualified for their job either.) But it didn't take much testing to verify that I have extensions in man that are from less...
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #147,975
3/23/04 8:54:24 PM
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two implementations of man, more or less
one gnu is less one Bell labs is more
thanx,
bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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Post #147,979
3/23/04 8:58:42 PM
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That makes sense
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,179
3/24/04 1:39:25 PM
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$ echo $PAGER
less -R
--
Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them.
--Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum
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Post #148,190
3/24/04 2:30:51 PM
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That can't be it
$PAGER isn't set locally.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,191
3/24/04 2:48:22 PM
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Then you have sensible default
I tried to set it to "more", and more was used.
That's how things are supposed to work. PAGER, EDITOR and there probably are more.
--
Less Is More. In my book, About Face, I introduce over 50 powerful design axioms. This is one of them.
--Alan Cooper. The Inmates Are Running the Asylum
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Post #148,232
3/24/04 5:18:08 PM
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How ironic your .sig is in this thread.....**giggle**
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #148,231
3/24/04 5:17:10 PM
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As I already admitted to Scott...
...I don't even pretend to be qualified.
(Although, it would be an interesting exercise to pretend to be qualified, and find out how far I get...)
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating that facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
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Post #147,935
3/23/04 6:47:30 PM
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Deploy wireless network?
Includes a climbing gym membership?
Maybe EVERYONE is required to climb occasionally when deploying access points?
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Post #147,949
3/23/04 8:01:58 PM
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ROTFL
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #147,950
3/23/04 8:17:25 PM
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Is this for real?
This is exactly how to hire the right people.
If it's for real, I have a job now.
-drl
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Post #147,978
3/23/04 8:58:08 PM
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Unless the position is already filled, it should be real
[link|http://jobs.perl.org/|http://jobs.perl.org/] is a job board for Perl people. The jobs require Perl knowledge, the people interviewing can be expected to aggressively filter out unqualified people aggressively, and it is known as a good way to find decent Perl people.
Factors that make this work. Any Perl person who is "involved in the community" will know about this site. HR drones do not. Most others do not. The remit is fairly focused, keeping the profile low.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #147,976
3/23/04 8:57:17 PM
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would look into it but
have a gig, dont know pittsburg but agree that is a place I would want to work.
thanx,
bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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Post #148,019
3/23/04 10:04:52 PM
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Could also be. . .
. . . a way to get some tricky sysadmin work done for free.
:-)
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Post #148,061
3/24/04 1:49:02 AM
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Go through process....
...invoice company for their pen testing at $200/hr :)
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #148,142
3/24/04 11:54:06 AM
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Sent my pubkey - no response
-drl
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Post #148,026
3/23/04 10:19:43 PM
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Hhhmmmmmmm
Five or more years experience.
Ok, got it, but that can easily be faked.
Fearlessness
I am a Psychopath, I fear nobody. Does that count? ;)
Joy of information technologies
Geek is my middle-name, I live for this stuff.
Decent selection of musical CD's
Define Decent, I have a weird taste in music. Mostly 1980's stuff. Does Billy Idol's Cyberpunk count as decent? How about ClockDVA? ;)
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,039
3/23/04 10:46:43 PM
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You don't qualify
They also specify, Three or more years UNIX system administration experience.
You have 0. You haven't even managed to get Linux up and running. You are entirely missing basic skillsets that they need.
If you don't believe me, then try to take their test. If you can't do the work on the test, why would anyone think that you can do it in real life?
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,112
3/24/04 10:21:51 AM
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Maybe I do, maybe I don't
It is Modern Linux I cannot get up and running. Not the same as Unix in general. In 1995 I was able to get Slackware Linux up and running with no problems. Of course Slackware has less bells and whistles and things that can go wrong. I consulted with other Linux people in my area and they looked at my systems I tried to install Linux on, and they told me it is a hardware issue of Linux not supporting the hardware I am using, or hardware so old it has problems. I am tempted to just install Linux by myself on a different system and see what happens.
I guess you never read my resume? I did work on HPUX, SunOS, and others when I was a Federal Contractor for 2 years. When I worked for 3 years at a tool maker, we used AIX. When I ran a Small Business we used Slackware Linux for 2 years. In one version of my resume I took off most of my Unix experience because it disqualifies me for Microsoft shops. Cobble it all together and it is over 5 years experience, and as I said it should be easy to fake it as well. ;)
I did get Red Hat 9.0 running on my brother's system, by the way, just that WINE couldn't run his Video Games, so he went back to XP. I have a system almost like it which runs W2K Pro and deSitter was going to use VNC to install Linux on it, I might just try to install Linux myself. But I cannot decide between Debian, Fedora, or SuSE.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,126
3/24/04 11:04:14 AM
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If you think that you qualify...
Go ahead and take their test.
It isn't like it costs anything.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,131
3/24/04 11:08:07 AM
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Why be proven wrong when you don't have to?
bcnu,
Mikem
The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.
- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
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Post #148,226
3/24/04 5:04:43 PM
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I have to do something first
#1 Install Linux and OpenSSH
#2 Generate SSH key.
#3 Send it in.
#4 Find the time out of my busy schedule to take the test. Right now I am getting ready for vacation for a week.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,234
3/24/04 5:22:10 PM
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Let's just say this
I don't think that you're qualified for the job. (In fact I strongly suspect that I'm probably better qualified than you are, and I know that I'm not qualified.) If you care to prove me wrong, you know how to do it. If you don't care, then don't.
But if you don't try and in the future ever dare claim that you were qualified, my opinion of you will drop even farther than it has already.
Regards,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,304
3/24/04 7:54:06 PM
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You may be right
but I find it odd that your opinion of me can drop any lower.
I admit that I am not qualified, I need a refresher course anyway.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,354
3/24/04 9:32:51 PM
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Not odd at all
You haven't yet struck me as someone who would push an unfounded claim to skills that evidence suggests you lack. Therefore it is clearly possible for you to worsten the opinion that I have of you. And I described above one way you could do it.
If you did that, you still wouldn't have hit bottom. For instance I don't have the impression that you are an abusive person, prone to inflicting violence on people around you. And so my opinion can go lower.
There really isn't a worst possible opinion that I can hold of someone. There are even ways that I'm supportive of George Bush. (eg I believe that he has a good memory for people. I may not like how he uses that ability, but I think that he has it.)
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,413
3/24/04 11:48:33 PM
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I may have had them at one time or thought I did
Like my C Language skills, I got rusty in them. I got A+ in both my C and Advanced C classes over 15 years ago, but now have a hard time writing simple C programs. Could be due to my mental illness and medical conditions, could be due to not using them in the past 6 or 7 years. Even my Visual BASIC skills have suffered a bit since 2001.
I thought, hey maybe I could apply for a job and see what happens. Guess I am not qualified for any job then. Recent postings from others to me have knocked my confidence level down really low and I am not sure if I can do anything anymore.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,543
3/25/04 2:34:24 PM
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Your confidence level is your problem.
I'm not going to coddle your past behaviour or current problems.
I'm just pointing out that very few around here have much patience with people who claim to have a lot of skills that they don't. We're pretty good at noticing BS. We've all been burned by it. And we see no reason to accept it.
Regards,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,604
3/25/04 6:45:38 PM
3/25/04 6:46:49 PM
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Not my only problem
dealing with negative people is another problem of mine. So is dealing with stress. So is having everything I do questioned, probed, examined, overanalyzed, misdiagnosed, and having conclusions jumped to.
I just am unable to do any job, or describe or communicate what I know to anyone's satisfaction.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
Edited by orion
March 25, 2004, 06:46:49 PM EST
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Post #148,140
3/24/04 11:51:29 AM
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Do you know how to obtain your SSH key?
Yes or no will do.
No googling, now :)
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #148,225
3/24/04 5:01:27 PM
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Yes I do
ssh-keygen part of OpenSSH I think. If I am wrong, it is because I haven't done this sort of stuff in a while.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,144
3/24/04 12:03:17 PM
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I don't want to be a meanie, Norm, but...
If you can't get Linux running, then your chances of getting proprietary UNIX going are nil.
I installed Solaris 9 for x86 on a test box at work and even I had do it four or five times before I felt comfortable enough with the installer to do it for real.
The likes of HP-UX and AIX have installers that are best described as vile.
Believe me, even Slackware has an easy installer compared to proprietary UNIX. (Apple Mac OS X being the glaring exception, of course :))
If you think you can fake it, try telling me how you set the default gateway on a Solaris box, and why you can't use shadow passwords and NIS+ at the same time.
I'm not a fulltime UNIX admin, (or even a part-time one), and you wouldn't even be able to bullshit me. Your chances with these fellers is somewhat less :)
Don't think I'm being mean; I just want you to understand that while you've got (and are continuing to get) yourself some good skills, UNIX ain't it.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #148,147
3/24/04 12:08:10 PM
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Re: I don't want to be a meanie, Norm, but...
HP-UX was easy.
Insert tape and hit "go". Of course if something goes wrong...but it never does, does it?
-drl
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Post #148,154
3/24/04 12:22:07 PM
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Uh, riiiiight.
H-Pukes is the devil's spawn.
-YendorMike
[link|http://www.hope-ride.org/|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
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Post #148,157
3/24/04 12:28:24 PM
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Re: Uh, riiiiight.
When I installed it (enough times to get a feel) it was this:
=========================
Basic HP-UX11 install
* Picking a keyboard: Ours are of the types PS2_DIN_{UK,US}_English(_Euro)?. Dollar key means `US'; pound key means `UK'; Euro key means `add _Euro'.
* User interface options: Use the `Remote Installation' on the Ignite-UX server; before I had such a server, I picked `Advanced Installation'.
* `Basic' tab:
You seem to get 64-bit HP-UX 11 if the machine will support it and 32-bit if not. Fair enough; we'll go with that.
Swap: for 512M machine, I did 1024M swap; for 1G machine, I did 1536M swap.
Under `Additional...': For a machine with two+ small disks (< 4GB), I put all disks in root volume group; striped those disks in the root VG.
In all cases, I did `NO' for `save patched files'.
We also do 'Disable DHCP', because we don't use it.
* `Software' tab: nothing to do.
* `System' tab:
Hostname and IP address as you would expect.
Put in our standard DNS servers.
Put in our standard NTP server.
* `File system' tab:
See disk configuration page... In particular, do account for special disk-hogging system software (e.g. Ignite-UX) that might go on the box.
Under `Additional Tasks'->`Advanced FS Params', set `Largefiles' to YES for the /._disk1 partition.
* `Advanced' tab: nothing to do.
After all of that, press `Go!'
==============================
That's about it. If the hardware is all standard HP hardware (why would it not be?) nothing should go wrong. I'd say it was roughly like installing Red Hat 5.
-drl
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Post #148,233
3/24/04 5:21:52 PM
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Oh but you are a meanie, nothing you can do about it.
I used SunOS not Solaris, but I assume them to be about the same. If like SunOS, then it is a routing table in the etc directory. My best guess would be a *gateways file. In case of Solaris it would be tsolgateways. If one does not exist, then defaultrouter would be used instead.
NIS+, I assume you mean Network Information Services. NIS+ supports the passwd.adjunct map, very simular to the etc/shadow method. /etc/nsswitch.conf gets changed after ypserv and ypbind are started. The process will have to be restarted. Using etc/shadow to create the passwd-map will not work properly. $PWDIR/security/passwd.adjunct should be used instead. Still there are problems and a non-shadowed password file may have to be created to get around this.
But I admit I am a bit rusty and have not used these skills since 1997/1998.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,245
3/24/04 5:48:12 PM
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You've googled.
You lose. :-)
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #148,256
3/24/04 6:04:30 PM
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tad obvious I would say :-)
In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin
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Post #148,259
3/24/04 6:07:38 PM
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To a genuine UNIX admin, yes.
To Norm, no.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
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Post #148,307
3/24/04 7:57:58 PM
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So you say
and I knew you would say that no matter what I posted.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,347
3/24/04 9:26:27 PM
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In that, you're almost definitely wrong
Without googling, the following should be obvious to any admin.
Shadowed passwords exist as a way to do local authentication with the password not stored in the publically readable passwd file.
NIS exists as a way to centralize authentication across many systems. It moves password checking to a remote system.
The answer that would have suggested that you actually understood what was going on would be to point out that the purpose of shadowed passwords and NIS contradict each other. You either check passwords locally or remotely. Changing how you do it locally when the data is remote is pointless.
The worst possible answer would be to supply large amounts of gratuitous detail (of exactly the kind that you can Google for) without indicating any conceptual grasp of what is going on.
And that is what you did.
Regards,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,351
3/24/04 9:30:18 PM
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actually you can do both
If I am local to the box I can have a shadowed passwd and a different NIS passwd and flag which to use. An example of such is recovery of a root passwd when an admin has been removed and the NIS maintainers cannot be reached in an emergency.
thanx,
bill
In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin
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Post #148,356
3/24/04 9:36:54 PM
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I was wondering about that...
My assumption was that Peter was right in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=148144|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=148144] that the two couldn't be used at the same time. Bad assumption, but I didn't claim to be an admin. (Quite the contrary in fact.)
Also it is still true that they can't be used at the same time on the same account. And that is true for exactly the reason that I gave.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,430
3/25/04 1:57:09 AM
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I should have been more specific.
Sorry for any confusion.
The point stands, though.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #148,394
3/24/04 10:50:56 PM
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PAM does that too, IIRC
You set the rules to look in NIS first, local second.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #148,414
3/24/04 11:55:04 PM
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That is the way I do things
The worst possible answer would be to supply large amounts of gratuitous detail (of exactly the kind that you can Google for) without indicating any conceptual grasp of what is going on.
I always supply large amounts of gratuitous detail without indicating any conceptual grasp of what is going on. Stream of unending conscience and all that, you know. ;) Obviously you have not paid attention to any of my posts for the past 6 years or however long I have been posting them as. If I googled it would have been word for word and explained it better than I explained it. But I have been branded as a Googler, and I hate Google with a passion and do not want to use it. I have stated that before, and I am only repeating myself yet again to someone who obviously did not pay attention to my previous posts. So you and Peter can have your reality on that. I don't care what you two think anymore.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,632
3/25/04 8:22:18 PM
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There are ways to actually have both.
But as you pointed out this is typically a stupid thing.
Reasons being sometimes an alternate authentication system needs to be defined to guarantee access to remote systems even when the primary and perhaps secondary authentication systems are unavailable.
But, given that now a days there are other ways to get access (RIB Boards, Remote KVMs etc...) this makes entirely ZERO sense.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
'In view of the fact that Microsoft is acondemned monopolist and on the other hand the internal messages andfinancial transactions of SCO look ever doubtful, Microsoft should bereally anxious that to the own company something does not remainsticking from the Gestank of the SCO.' --Plagarized from [link|http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040322133607169|GROKLAW]
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Post #148,348
3/24/04 9:26:54 PM
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Norm there was enough misinformation in yer post
to indicate that you read it but didnt understand it.
thanx,
bill
In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #148,415
3/24/04 11:56:37 PM
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There is always Misinformation in my posts
or haven't you been paying attention to my posts either?
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,460
3/25/04 8:23:11 AM
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You claim you didnt lookup the answers
the answer you gave indicated that you read the material you posted but didnt understand it. You could not have remembered this because it never worked that way. So you checked online and posted what you thought were the answers, no biggie, we all do that. But quit protesting that you didnt.
thanx,
bill
In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #148,603
3/25/04 6:43:29 PM
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Fine if it shuts you up
I did lookup the answers. The Internet is a very valuable research tool, and I cannot understand why using it to find something or verify something is seen as a bad thing. No different than reading a book.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,635
3/25/04 8:30:20 PM
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Actually you are correct.
But you said you were qualified.
You lease on being qualified as an Admin is up... you forgot to pay the rent about 5 years ago.
Give up trying to impress us. You will never Measure up, with you lame attempts to install linux and now accidentally stumble upon answers that you should ALSO found on the internet.
You claim the Internet is a resource, you never used it before to fix your issues with learning linux, why should you start now, just to prove our point for us.
You are absolutely a person that has some understanding of things, but you run out of steam very quickly as you use the whole thing up.
Please stop this, it garners no respect or good reputation.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
'In view of the fact that Microsoft is acondemned monopolist and on the other hand the internal messages andfinancial transactions of SCO look ever doubtful, Microsoft should bereally anxious that to the own company something does not remainsticking from the Gestank of the SCO.' --Plagarized from [link|http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040322133607169|GROKLAW]
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Post #149,966
4/4/04 12:24:51 PM
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I did fix my Linux problems on my own
thank you very much. I am reading Howtos and FAQs to get what I can out of them.
True I never was able to reach my potential, I have too many walls in my way to reach it.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,247
3/24/04 5:53:25 PM
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Can you point to more such things?
I emailed my public key and got no response. I suppose this is the listserver equivalent of the asshole recruiter who doesn't acknowledge applicants.
-drl
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Post #148,252
3/24/04 6:00:22 PM
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Your public key?
That was not what was asked for.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #148,264
3/24/04 6:11:23 PM
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Re: Your public key?
To begin taking the tests, please send your public SSH key to job-ap382@telerama.com along with your email contact information.
Hey, I follow directions.
-drl
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Post #148,265
3/24/04 6:12:18 PM
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You probably sent your GPG key, right?
Not the same thing.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #148,268
3/24/04 6:14:58 PM
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(bangs head onto bed spikes)
/home/drossl/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
Want to see what's in it?
I'm assuming they want to pop up a login terminal on *my* system.
-drl
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Post #148,269
3/24/04 6:17:03 PM
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Patience, grasshopper.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
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Post #148,277
3/24/04 6:27:56 PM
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Re: Patience, grasshopper.
I have sshd running but firewalled. Are they in fact trying to pop up a login terminal without further notice?
-drl
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Post #148,281
3/24/04 6:33:08 PM
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I got the impression
I got the impression that they will have people take the tests via a ssh session hosted by them and want your public key so they'll know it's really you logging in and taking the test.
--
Chris Altmann
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Post #148,285
3/24/04 6:43:22 PM
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Hmm possible
In any case there is no response. Bummer.
-drl
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Post #148,288
3/24/04 7:01:34 PM
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So try logging in.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #148,295
3/24/04 7:35:04 PM
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to what?
-drl
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Post #148,306
3/24/04 7:56:28 PM
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To their server
log in as root and impress them with your 733t $]<177$ ;)
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #148,337
3/24/04 9:12:07 PM
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That isn't how ssh works
With the ssh public key, people can prove that you're you. That's all. They can use it to give you (and only you) a remote login on their system. To pretend to be you, someone needs your private key. Which is why it is private.
The fact that they are smart enough to not ask for passwords indicates that they have some brains already.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,328
3/24/04 8:43:22 PM
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Response finally showed up
This should be fun :)
-drl
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Post #148,329
3/24/04 8:45:53 PM
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Re: Response finally showed up
I'll keep a record of what happens.
The key is used for your password. altmann was right.
There are 8 stages. It's "Code-Hard with a Vengeance". If there aren't enough dead bodies at the end, more stages will be appended.
Off we go.
-drl
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Post #148,352
3/24/04 9:31:55 PM
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Luck Bro
In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #148,376
3/24/04 10:27:32 PM
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Stage 2 complete
Task #2: Install a current version of Apache on the FreeBSD host
above. Make a static HTML test page available at
[link|http://jobs019.telerama.com/test1.html|http://jobs019.telerama.com/test1.html]
I downloaded 1.3.29. The host is FreeBSD.
Does the link work? Looks like
-drl
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Post #148,379
3/24/04 10:34:31 PM
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See the default Apache page here. Keep at it! :-)
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Post #148,391
3/24/04 10:47:32 PM
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FreeBSD must be great
I'm on it for 5 minutes and I've got my own website!
-drl
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Post #148,454
3/25/04 7:03:02 AM
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Still the default page from here.
Unless you INTENDED test1.html to be the default page, which is probably not a good idea.
Keep at it.
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Post #148,465
3/25/04 8:53:40 AM
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cp index.html.en test1.html
They wanted a static page. I assume Stage 3 will start altering it into something useful. No email yet. This is like a spy movie.
-drl
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Post #148,611
3/25/04 7:12:58 PM
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Don't assume
If I told you to install a web site and setup a static page I would not accept this particluar page. This is the one that says you are not done yet.
Just modify it to say "Done, What would you like next?"
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Post #148,622
3/25/04 7:40:39 PM
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?
The problem was to install Apache and put a simple page at test1. How hard to understand is that? When they check my 7 minutes of login time for the console transcript they will so "Ok that was a minimum of keystrokes".
The funny this is, I certainly could have put up any page I wanted, including a gigantic pic of JJ's boob. The activity is in a chrooted box with rooty access.
Still waiting for the next email.
-drl
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Post #148,675
3/25/04 10:12:25 PM
3/25/04 10:13:47 PM
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How hard to understand is that?
Maybe not at all.
Maybe a huge amount.
Why take chances?
The web page states the install is not done.
Make it done.
I'd post my resume on it.
Edited by broomberg
March 25, 2004, 10:13:47 PM EST
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Post #148,717
3/26/04 2:49:16 AM
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test inside the test
initiative. do you have it? I'm betting there's more to this test than what the words in the assignment say. You were asked to put up a web page. I take that to mean a web page you put together. Not someone else's page. I kinda like Barry's resume idea. But since they explicitly said up front they didn't want resumes sent to them, I'd hold off until asked. For you, something from an unusual perspective, maybe a picture of earthrise over the moon, and some text on what you thought of the test so far. Fancy it up. You're trying to impress these people.
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #148,720
3/26/04 4:16:04 AM
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I thought of it exactly opposite
Don't you think I thought of doing something clever? I mean, it takes 2 minutes to download Apache and 3 minutes to install it and 5 seconds to start. The purpose of this step is to see if a person is familiar with "cron world". My attitude is - do exactly as told. This is no place for showing off. I think these people are serious. But, we'll see.
This is the way you should hire people, I know that.
-drl
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Post #148,819
3/26/04 2:57:53 PM
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If they continue not contacting you, then at least try it.
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,612
3/25/04 7:13:18 PM
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Don't assume
If I told you to install a web site and setup a static page I would not accept this particluar page. This is the one that says you are not done yet.
Just modify it to say "Done, What would you like next?"
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Post #148,626
3/25/04 7:57:28 PM
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seconded
In Bush\ufffds America, fighting terrorism abroad is used as a pretext for vanquishing civil liberties at home. David Podvin
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #148,779
3/26/04 11:55:07 AM
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Thirded.
bcnu,
Mikem
The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.
- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
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Post #148,519
3/25/04 12:50:24 PM
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have fun with that. knock'em dead
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #148,339
3/24/04 9:13:45 PM
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That one was pretty random, sorry
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #148,353
3/24/04 9:32:03 PM
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S'OK send more if you find'em
If nothing else, it's fun, unlike dealing with recruiters.
-drl
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