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New Peter is right, you missed the point
Go back a couple of posts. In [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=145250|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=145250] you say, Corp USA does not make the laws and regulations of the country. Which prompted Peter's response that you are charmingly naive.

As long as politicians are easily influenced and voters are hard to mobilize, for all intents and purposes, corporate USA does make the laws and regulations of this country. And they have been doing it quite openly.

Not as openly, perhaps, as in the 1800's when you could simply purchase a Senate seat. But not very subtly for all that.

That said, the even more basic point is the one that Peter made in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=144971|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=144971]. The mercantile philosophy, no matter how much you dislike aspects of it, made possible our way of life. The rise of corporations in the 1800's made mercantilism reach farther than it could ever have dreamed of doing before. Before that reorganization of our society, most people were born on the farm, slaved on the farm, and died on the farm. Starvation was a constant threat and an inevitable limit. (See Thomas Malthus.)

Our economic reorganization, together with improvements in technology (particularly food production technology) have allowed us to transcend what was considered possible and earn the average person a standard of living that would be the envy of past ages. However the way in which we did it is through a system that is utterly ruthless in pursuing internal priorities for efficiency. Compared to mass famine, admittedly, our current economic order is generousity itself. But our success has made us lose sight of such comparisons.

Complaining about it is fairly useless. It is with us, and it isn't fundamentally changing. (And if it did, you probably wouldn't like the change.)

You may not like or agree with that view. But it is not trivially wrong just because someone out there doesn't like the realities of how the current system works.

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New The shortest, clearest summary ever. Thank you.
--

...what happened to intelligence of this country?
-- Sen. Kerry.
New One little tiny correction for you...
(And when it does, you probably won't like the change.)


I've been thinking about W&D again, Ben...
"I'll stop calling this crew 'Orwellian' when they stop using 1984 as an operations manual." - J. Bradford DeLong
Expand Edited by inthane-chan March 10, 2004, 04:38:08 PM EST
New I'm not sure how that one will play out...
Hence I am not willing to stamp any prediction of the future with an illusion of certainty.

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
     Long term umemployment rises 300 percent 2000 -> 2003 - (deSitter) - (33)
         They're not stealing your jobs. - (pwhysall) - (29)
             H word again - (deSitter) - (1)
                 Never happen. - (pwhysall)
             Salary is not negotiable - (tablizer) - (2)
                 Exactly - (deSitter) - (1)
                     Adam Smith takes vacations -NT - (tablizer)
             Of course they aren't stealing our jobs - (orion) - (23)
                 Correction. - (inthane-chan) - (22)
                     In other parts of the world - (orion) - (21)
                         If $2 is a princely sum in Brownpeepulistan... - (pwhysall) - (20)
                             Precisely. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                 Rejoinder! - (pwhysall)
                             I beg to differ - (orion) - (17)
                                 Monitoring employees - (ChrisR) - (2)
                                     When it's done in secret - (deSitter)
                                     There are laws and issues on that very thing - (orion)
                                 Re-read my post in context of what matters to Corp USA. -NT - (pwhysall) - (13)
                                     What Corp USA thinks is irrelevant - (orion) - (12)
                                         You're quite charmingly naive, Norman. -NT - (pwhysall) - (11)
                                             You are quite close-minded Peter - (orion) - (10)
                                                 Point = missed. -NT - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                     Point == Null - (orion) - (4)
                                                         ? - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                             Let us review, shall we? - (orion) - (2)
                                                                 Re: Let us review, shall we? - Yes, lets - (jake123)
                                                                 Norm, this link might help - (boxley)
                                                 Peter is right, you missed the point - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                                     The shortest, clearest summary ever. Thank you. -NT - (Arkadiy)
                                                     One little tiny correction for you... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                                         I'm not sure how that one will play out... - (ben_tilly)
         That is the flip side of being in a "protected class". - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
             Bullsh*t - (deSitter) - (1)
                 Note the quotes around protected class. - (a6l6e6x)

I guess you can't gargle with it.
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