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New Re: Rock Operas?
Just wanted to get your take on [link|http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us/students/jackr/quadlyr.html|http://www.riverdale...ackr/quadlyr.html] which was Townshend's best rock opera... The music is powerful but the lyrics are perhaps the best in any piece of work that came out in my lifetime. I wrote a 75 page paper in college (English Literature) with Quadrophenia as the source. I got an A+ even though the prof couldn't quite agree that Townshend was a "great" English author... so be it. I always put this album/CD as number 1 on any list. YMMV.
Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New Re: Rock Operas?
I've never seen/heard that one before, I only discovered it existed last night trying to search the net. Was it a movie, or just music? What is it actually about? I glanced at the lyrics, I'll have to look at them better later.

My husband said that a true Rock Opera had to stand alone and tell the story in the music, is that true?

The big problem with the google link and other search engines though is that there are things people THINK are Rock Operas, and things people think should BE Rock Operas, but I was trying to figure out which ones were actually classified as Rock Operas, and the search engine wasn't helping much there.

I know Jesus Christ Superstar is, it says it on the album. And I know Tommy is, for same reason. But the others, well, it goes all over the map. It even tries to claim that Rocky Horror Picture Show is a Rock Opera, and I thought that was a cult film.

Does anyone know if there are other movies/broadway shows that are actually listed as Rock Operas?

Nightowl >8#


"To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are."
Eric Hoffer
New Quick question
Is there some reason that a rock opera can't also be a cult film?

BTW- Quadrophenia is a film... rent it; it's very good.
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New No, it could be
I just wanted to know which ones were actually listed as Rock Operas, you know, where it said it on the album or in the description. Because many of the things they considered a rock opera in the search links, I didn't, like Spaceballs for example? A rock opera? No way.

Nightowl >8#


"To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are."
Eric Hoffer
New change your thinking parameters
define opera first
then look for genre that has the first quality but uses rock instead of medeival Italian. Undefine a musical from the genre. Grease is a musical but not an opera for example. Rocky Horror could not be because there is spoken lines, cop rock could be but it was too awful to endure watching. So a self definition of Rock Opera as defined on the album cover might not be a could parameter.
thanx,
bill
when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino
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New Hmmm that's interesting
I realize what you're saying, I guess I was just wondering which movie-makers or creators or whatever defined theirs as a Rock Opera, not what the public defined it as.

I agree Grease is a musical, not a Rock Opera. We were wondering about Heavy Metal, but I don't know if the story is inclusive in the lyrics. But aren't there spoken lines in Tommy also? I thought there was some dialogue in it. The only Rock Opera I remember that was touted for only a few spoken lines was Jesus Christ Superstar, when he speaks from the cross.

Maybe I'll search for a "definition" of Rock Opera and go from there. I know an Opera is a story told in song, or so I remember from music class.

Thanks, Box!

Nightowl >8#



"To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are."
Eric Hoffer
New Thanks
I'll add it to my list of films to rent sometime. Right now we're trying to watch our backlog of videos we taped off TV to see, but occasionally we rent one. :)

Nightowl >8#


"To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are."
Eric Hoffer
New My interpretation...
From [link|http://www.classicalarchives.com/dict/opera.html|http://www.classical...m/dict/opera.html],
opera (It., work, but actually plural of Lat. opus, a work; Fr. op\ufffdra; Ger. Oper). The term is an abbreviation of opera in musica. Opera is a drama set to mus. to be sung with instr. acc. by singers usually in costume. Recit. or spoken dialogue may separate the numbers, but the essence of opera is that the mus. is integral and is not incidental, as in a \ufffdmusical\ufffd or play with mus.

So, to answer your question, your husband is mostly right.

I like to use the old joke, "Opera is when a guy gets stabbed in the back and instead of bleeding, he sings."

I could write a novel on what importance Tommy, Quadrophenia, the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan, etc... had on my formative years, but suffice it to say that Tommy broke through the "musical snobbery" that opera must be sung in Italian or German with "classical" instrumentation. Not to mention that the story is as provocative as almost any of the classic operas.

Before Dylan and the Beatles, most white performers didn't write. And by and large, popular music was about doing the nasty (or clever metaphors that suggested doing the nasty) or asking God's forgiveness for doing the nasty. Notice that I used the word "popular" music. Dylan was influenced by folkies who were writing poignant lyrics, the Beatles were influenced by many American folkies and R&B performers. The net effect of all this was that for a period of about 10 years, the music bness was run by musicians as their agents/marketers didn't know what would sell, sell, sell... It led to a mini golden age in music. By the late 70's though, the music bness started back and the artistry left. There are a few exceptions, but by and large, the music industry puts out only prepackaged predigested drivel. The suits hire the musicians to play that crap that their tired assed late middle aged asses can do the nasty to once a month.

Or to quote Tom Petty from his last album,

Artist : Tom Petty
Song : Joe

my name's Joe I'm the ceo
yeah, I'm the man
makes the big wheels roll
I'm the hand on
the green light switch
you get to be famous
I get to be rich

go get me a kid
with a good-looking face
bring me a kid
can remember his place
some hungry poet
son of a bitch
he gets to be famous I get to be rich

or bring me a girl
they're always the best
you put 'em on stage
and you have 'em undress
some angel whore
who can learn a guitar lick
hey, that's what I call music

well they'll come lookin' for money
when public gets bored
but we'll fight 'em with lawyer
they could never afford
yeah, I'll make her look
like a spoiled little bitch
she gets to be famous
I get to be rich

or bring me a girl
they're always the best
you put 'em on stage
and you have 'em undress
some angel whore
who can learn a guitar lick
hey, that's what I call music

so burnt-out johnny
thinks our books are shifty
what good's that alchI to me
when he's fifty
we could move catalog
if he'd only die quicker
send my regards to the gig
and a case of good liquor
he gets to be famous
I get to be rich
he gets to be famous
I get to be rich

my name's Joe , I 'm the ceo
I 'm the man who makes
the big wheels roll
Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New And it was a SPECTACULAR concert
Gary Glitter as the mod...Billy Idol as the rocker....

Awesome show.

Agreed that this is Pete's best "published" work. However...if he finally finishes off Lifehouse...all bets are off. Who's Next is almost exclusively music written for this project. The Chnronicles is a must have for any who or Townsend fan.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

It goes in, it must come out.Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]

New Lifehouse is available.
[link|http://www.eelpie.com/shop/shelving/popup_window_lifehousedemos_contents.html|EelPie]. Note that shipping from the UK is something like 20 pounds (!) - or at least it was when I got a copy a few years ago.

I think it's as finished as it's going to be.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Agreed
I was there too.
     Rock Operas? - (Nightowl) - (12)
         Re: Rock Operas? - (broomberg)
         Re: Rock Operas? - (danreck) - (10)
             Re: Rock Operas? - (Nightowl) - (6)
                 Quick question - (jake123) - (4)
                     No, it could be - (Nightowl) - (2)
                         change your thinking parameters - (boxley) - (1)
                             Hmmm that's interesting - (Nightowl)
                     Thanks - (Nightowl)
                 My interpretation... - (danreck)
             And it was a SPECTACULAR concert - (bepatient) - (2)
                 Lifehouse is available. - (Another Scott)
                 Agreed - (broomberg)

Unless I missed it, I don't think that they had Barbie in mind as one of the 4 horsemen.
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