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New Now I'm a little confused
Let me try one other time to outline the situation, and then confirm your input.

See, I'm confused because when I worked at the U of MO, and applied for another job within the University, they had me provide as many letters of reference from within that University that I could, which totaled 6 0r 7.

This time, I don't work at the college in question, but I have worked there, and I know many many people there, but HR in downtown doesn't know me from adam. I am applying directly to HR, not a potential department or anything, because they are creating a steno pool.

I have still not sent the application because of personal issues (being unable to see to write nicely, till I got my new glasses, etc), and plan to send it Monday, but I was trying to decide whether to mention my references from the college in my cover letter, or include the letters themselves, and am still trying to decide that. I was personally referred to HR by Ralph Ankenbrand, one of the references, and I told the woman on the phone as much. Maybe I should just include his?

This is a sorta unique situation which is why I'm not sure how to proceed, but I worked for many departments at the college in question, and have many many people there who will back me, which is what Ank thinks will work in my favor.

I have not called Ank and asked him what to do regarding the letters, because I was trying not to "need" my counselor this year.

Does this change anything about my question?

Nightowl >8#

Edit: Corrected grammar and added part about just including Ank's letter.


"To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are."
Eric Hoffer
Collapse Edited by Nightowl Feb. 14, 2004, 12:03:38 PM EST
Now I'm a little confused
Let me try one other time to outline the situation, and then confirm your input.

See, I'm confused because when I worked at the U of MO, and applied for another job within the university, they had me provide as many letters of reference from within University that I could, which totaled 6 0r 7.

This time, I don't work at the college in question, but I have worked there, and I know many many people there, but HR in downtown doesn't know me from adam. I am applying directly to HR, not a potential department or anything, because they are creating a steno pool.

I have still not sent the application because of personal issues (being unable to see, till I got my new glasses, etc), and plan to send it Monday, but I was trying to decide whether to mention my references from the college in my letter, or include the letters, and am still trying to decide that. I was personally referred to HR by Ralph Ankenbrand, one of the references, and I told the woman on the phone as much.

This is a sorta unique situation which is why I'm not sure how to proceed, but I worked for many departments at the college in question, and have many many people there who will back me, which is what Ank thinks will work in my favor.

I have not called Ank and asked him what to do regarding the letters, because I was trying not to "need" my counselor this year.

Does this change anything about my question?

Nightowl >8#


"To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are."
Eric Hoffer
New I would mention references, but not include
It is good to let them know that you know lots of people that they know. But let them talk directly with your references.

Think of this as a basic social situation. If I tell you, "Fred thinks that I am a great guy, and here is what he says about me..." what do you think? If I say, "If you want to know about me, ask Fred." and then you ask Fred and hear what a great guy I am, what do you think? If Fred was talking in front of me, and I walk away, do you feel tempted to ask Fred, "OK, now that Ben's not here, what do you really think?"

When you hear compliments about me directly from Fred, it carries a ton more weight, doesn't it? If I'm repeating lots of good stuff about me directly to you, it is natural for you to wonder if I am accurately repeating everything that Fred really would say. Furthermore you are going to trust what Fred says about me more if I am not present.

References work the same way. People will most trust a reference which you didn't present, which they know that you didn't see.

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Expand Edited by ben_tilly Feb. 14, 2004, 12:59:44 PM EST
     Okay, my turn to ask for job search advice - (Nightowl) - (8)
         Yes - (ben_tilly)
         Huh? - (Silverlock) - (2)
             Not exactly like that - (Nightowl) - (1)
                 Go with Ben's advice. - (Silverlock)
         Re: Okay, my turn to ask for job search advice - (qstephens) - (3)
             Really? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                 Now I'm a little confused - (Nightowl) - (1)
                     I would mention references, but not include - (ben_tilly)

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