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New Context. The whole message. Missed.
We are not talking desktop. Mine for my own
comfort, but only as a side effect of this purchase,
not as a goal.

Business context goals are stated:

new technology, workflow, data processing solutions,
applications and Linux kernels.


The start of this discussion with the boss was me
referring to the dramatic IO speed increase the
2.6 kernel series had, and how nice it would be for
Linux to surpass Sun as a mid-level Oracle database
box, the type of thing we currently use Sun 450s for.

Everything flows from the core business requirement,
not from a personal play / learn desire. That is WHY
I am trusted with these types of projects, since I can
put aside my innate geek lust.

So, to clarify: Should be able to run commercial Linux
software, which means Intel / AMD. Applications in general
mean Windows apps. For our industry. Data processing
means a variety of data munging which could them be
released on other boxes, so that means Linux or Windows,
which means both for the box, ie: VMWare. Also, I do
some low level data munging, so I need to take into account
the "endian" of the box. Better to match the MF than the
Sun. I seem to recall G5 will not match Intel or MF.
New If money is no object
I'd go for an SMP AMD64 based system. The point of this is research to replace other systems... so get the system that looks like it will deliver most bang for the buck, and be the logical jumping off point for the future development you're talking about. The fact that the new kernels are going to start off a bit squiffy (malodorous, you might say;) is not the point... the point is that you are going to be trying to develop two main sets from the use of this system; a skill set and a tool set that your firm can use. The skill set is about being able to build the systems they want, and the tool set is the combination of hardware and software you're going to use to do it.

See if you can get them to spring for a two or four way, a boatload of RAM, and a nice RAID disk array, as well as the interfaces to go for massive cheap storage (eg- there's a new USB 2.0 box out that takes SATA and/or IDE drives, and interfaces with the PC via a USB cable). Then, you can get down and start messing around with the Right Way to tweak the bits... the kernel options, what's the good compiler, the good packages (postgres? Oracle?) for building the applications you need, and so on. Start making test applications, and running tests on them, for correctness, performance, and how long before it cracks under the load. Two years down the road... it may be time for a massive overhaul of your back room.
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New Agreed
Except I want the Opteron, not the the AMD64.
Difference in the IO. See Greg's continuing
refinement for the baseline box. I assume
I'll add an external SATA array for the additional
database storage.
New Well, when I said AMD64
I was talking about the line of 64 bit x86 compatible chips from AMD, not a particular chip. I don't know enough about the specific featuresets of their 64 bit line to be able to pick one.

Prolly should've called it AMD x86-64 or something like that...
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New You don't want the *Athlon* 64. They're both "AMD64". HTH!
     Need suggestions, FAST! - (broomberg) - (45)
         Re: Need suggestions, FAST! - (deSitter) - (1)
             Mac/Linux convergence - (cforde)
         google shuttle AMD -NT - (boxley) - (1)
             Why? - (broomberg)
         CDW has IBM Opteron servers. - (Another Scott) - (10)
             Too expensive, wrong type - (broomberg) - (9)
                 But it's got a really ugly case! - (Another Scott)
                 Tiger Direct alternative. - (a6l6e6x)
                 Did you even bother listening? - (deSitter) - (6)
                     Amazing.. - (Ashton) - (5)
                         Context. The whole message. Missed. - (broomberg) - (4)
                             If money is no object - (jake123) - (3)
                                 Agreed - (broomberg) - (2)
                                     Well, when I said AMD64 - (jake123)
                                     You don't want the *Athlon* 64. They're both "AMD64". HTH! -NT - (CRConrad)
         Re: Need suggestions, FAST! - (dmarker) - (8)
             Why would anyone want an Itanium boat anchor these days?!? -NT - (Another Scott) - (7)
                 What do you use for an Opteron compiler? - (admin) - (4)
                     There a bunch of optimizations... - (folkert) - (1)
                         Interesting... thanks. -NT - (admin)
                     Compiler - could this be Greg's "Word on the Street" ? - (CRConrad) - (1)
                         Dern, it got published. I was told it wouldn't. -NT - (folkert)
                 Re: Our ops people looking at them to run Peoplesoft - (dmarker) - (1)
                     otherwise known as fsckthepeoplerus :) -NT - (boxley)
         OH... I just LOVE spending other People Money... - (folkert) - (19)
             Configure it for me! - (broomberg) - (15)
                 Another Try. - (folkert) - (14)
                     No rush - (broomberg)
                     General PS question - - (Ashton) - (2)
                         Yessir... - (folkert) - (1)
                             Followup, Mr. President - - or Andrew? re mobo cap failures (new thread) - (Ashton)
                     Getting there - (broomberg) - (9)
                         Okay... - (folkert) - (8)
                             I think we are done - (broomberg) - (7)
                                 Yup. Done - (broomberg) - (6)
                                     I went to Penguin Computing... - (folkert)
                                     The one you liked working for? - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                         Yup, that one - (broomberg) - (3)
                                             Re: Yup, that one - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                 This one was a killer - (broomberg) - (1)
                                                     Thanks - (Ashton)
             *splutter!* - (Another Scott)
             Pretty close - (broomberg) - (1)
                 Sane video card == Matrox G550 - (jb4)
         Nice problem to have... -NT - (ben_tilly)

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