So WTF is that supposed to mean?

Post #139,702 by CRConrad 2/4/04 4:22:28 AM Reply	So WTF is that supposed to mean? Ark quotes his new, apparently to-be-uncritically-echoed, "Net God", James Lileks: "As I say in the column: if we\ufffdre going to hell in a handbasket, can\ufffdt we have a nicer handbasket?" So what the fuck is it that he is saying, really -- that the handbasket would be somehow "nicer" without the occasional glimpse of a breast? If that is so -- and I really can't see any very plausible alternative interpretation; can you? -- then where the fuck did he get his definition of "nice" from? What sexually-repressed Hell of prudery would one have to hail from, to claim that a warm and plump and juicy breast -- the very embodiment of nice, AFAICS -- isn't "nice"? And more immediately relevant, here: Do you -- as one would be almost forced to conclude, from your constant uncritically-echoing of his every pronouncement, with an approving "appropriate" in this instance, to boot -- agree with his judgement, Ark? If so: Why? [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) You know you're doing good work when you get flamed by an idiot. -- [link\|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/34218.html\|Andrew Wittbrodt]
Post #139,720 by Arkadiy 2/4/04 10:00:06 AM Reply	Explanations for slow onee I happen to agree with Lileks that breasts have no place on TV unless I know in advance that they wil be there. The standards are going down indeed, that's "to hell in a handbasket". And, to see that particular breast, the breast of a no-talent, "Michael Jackson's sister nekkid" pop slut^H^H^H^Hdiva, complete with a fucking _star_ pinned on it is indeed not the nicest experience possible. So, next time we have an "accident", I'd rather see something less used and second(twenty-second? two hundred twenty second?)-hand. -- Select [link\|http://www.glumbert.com/pictures/Default.asp?index=30\|here].
Post #139,722 by drewk 2/4/04 10:18:15 AM Reply	IOW ... If we're gonna see tits on TV, can't they at least be nice tits? === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #139,723 by Arkadiy 2/4/04 10:26:22 AM Reply	Yes -- Select [link\|http://www.glumbert.com/pictures/Default.asp?index=30\|here].
Post #139,729 by pwhysall 2/4/04 10:59:35 AM Reply	Bah, you've got no taste. I thought it was a most appealing boob. But still, only a boob. The righteous indignation that people like you are affecting, Arkadiy, is most amusing to the less-sexually-uptight of us :) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #139,731 by jake123 2/4/04 11:21:36 AM Reply	I think it's political The chattering classes would rather see people talking about The Boob rather than the naked emporer... that is, the one that keeps clothing itself in the massive amounts of evidence about WMD in Iraq. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #139,734 by ben_tilly 2/4/04 11:29:22 AM Reply	Thanks, you just gave me nightmares for a month GWB naked - not exactly my favorite image. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #139,735 by jake123 2/4/04 11:34:31 AM Reply	Reminds me of that early scene in Heavy Metal when Den (voiced by John Candy) gets transported to his alternative universe: "there was no way I was going to be wandering around with my dork hanging out". Seriously, the degree to which it's being talked about is amazing... and the people who are doing most of the talking is interesting. Seems they'd rather talk about Janet's boob hanging out rather than GWB's dork hanging out. Pretty sad statement about the state of the US polity, I'd say. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #139,742 by drewk 2/4/04 11:46:36 AM Reply	Once again, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart nails it Start a war and kill several thousand people, and in nine months or so you might get a commission appointed to see what really happened. But show a tit on TV and by the end of the day you've got an FCC investigation. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #139,777 by boxley 2/4/04 3:32:19 PM Reply	searches on janet's teat exceed 9/11search engine hits what does that tell you about society. Last night watched shaka zulu, lotsa tits in there, good looking, rough looking enjoyable in the setting. IMO seeing that display in the middle of a football game would be like watching a hockey game and in between periods a demonstration of a prostrate exam, just doesnt fit. thanx, bill I do hold an englishman's brothel is his castle , where he should behave accordingly--as many flash tails as he likes , but none of the troop fornications that the orientals and germans indulge in. Its not the indecency I mind , but the company of a lot of boozy brutes hallooing and kicking up a deuce of a row when I want to concentrate and give off my best. A regular bacchanalia is something to see right enough, but I am with the discriminating Frog who said that one is interesting, but only a cad would make a habit of it. Sir Harold Flashman esquire VC OBE questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #139,854 by Ashton 2/4/04 7:36:20 PM Reply	"discrimination" in any nuance - is virtually unMurican..
Post #139,754 by Arkadiy 2/4/04 12:42:09 PM Reply	Cheap whore has never been my idea of "appealing". Nor an expensive one, for that matter. Matter of taste indeed, I guess. -- Select [link\|http://www.glumbert.com/pictures/Default.asp?index=30\|here].
Post #139,765 by CRConrad 2/4/04 2:16:21 PM Reply	You bigoted prudes are remarkably quick to use that word. I assume you have no more proof that she's sold herself than Norm (or was it Nightowl?) had the other week, about that gal Paris Hilton (another one who's way too rich to have to do that)? But, OK, thanks for letting us know what company too classify you with, you bigoted prude: From now on, whenever I see your name, I'll "think Norm-(or possibly Nightowl)-type bigoted prude". [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) You know you're doing good work when you get flamed by an idiot. -- [link\|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/34218.html\|Andrew Wittbrodt]
Post #139,773 by Arkadiy 2/4/04 2:52:12 PM Reply	Feel free. -- Select [link\|http://www.glumbert.com/pictures/Default.asp?index=30\|here].
Post #139,780 by Nightowl 2/4/04 3:38:53 PM Reply	It sure wasn't me, CRC I never called Paris Hilton a whore, nor Janet Jackson. And I'm definitely not a bigot. Nightowl >8# "To become different from what we are, we must have some awareness of what we are." Eric Hoffer
Post #139,857 by Ashton 2/4/04 7:47:31 PM Reply	Whores? .. by actual measurement, there are orders/magnitude more in bizness than in any comfort-food occupation, locally, nationally ... species-wide. And it is certainly not ever gender-specific (however often it is Meant that stupid way). Personally, I despise the Word, for it is hardly ever attached to the most deserving.. beginning waay back when females were Chattels (and cattle). About as descriptive a meaning as, "the Murican Peepul" - many of whom fit the category perfectly, re anything to do with the garnering of $$. Useless, nasty trigger-word, evoking Only all that is sanctimonious, judgmental and vicious. Use it and be thought a fool (at most charitable) IMO.
Post #139,858 by boxley 2/4/04 7:52:26 PM Reply	I remember when the word denoted a respected profession rather than a amature easy piece. Things change. thanx, bill I do hold an englishman's brothel is his castle , where he should behave accordingly--as many flash tails as he likes , but none of the troop fornications that the orientals and germans indulge in. Its not the indecency I mind , but the company of a lot of boozy brutes hallooing and kicking up a deuce of a row when I want to concentrate and give off my best. A regular bacchanalia is something to see right enough, but I am with the discriminating Frog who said that one is interesting, but only a cad would make a habit of it. Sir Harold Flashman esquire VC OBE questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #139,924 by orion 2/5/04 1:05:40 AM 2/5/04 2:30:22 PM Reply	So what then makes a whore? Apparently videotaping oneself with multiple partners having sex does not qualify poor Paris as a whore. Calling such a woman a whore gets me branded as a bigoted-prude? I suppose she is an upstanding citizen and every "not a whore" woman out there video tapes herself having sex multiple times with mutliple partners. Just have to look past the morals and ethics checks on that. Last I checked lust was a sin, but I suppose it is a virtue now? As for poor Janet, if she was in on the thing, we could classify her as a flasher. If not, it was a wardrobe malfunction and we were supposed to see red lace instead of her breast but Timerlake must have yanked it too hard or something and tore the lace off as well? Just look at the ratings for the whole event. The solar ring is also for sale on the Internet, replica of the one Janet wore. It seems to be selling a lot. In my opinion the whole thing seems like it was staged to get attention and sell that solar ring and boost ratings for the half-time show. Mark my words, someone figured out how to get rich off of the incident. Edit: I think I should point out that the word Whore is an ambiguous term, and it could have more than one meaning in different contextes. Obviously what I classify as a whore is different from what you classify as a whore. Just like what my country thinks is human rights may differ from what other countries think is human rights. The intense sexual desire for multiple partners and video taping the acts are what makes me think that she is a whore, or at least a exhibitionist, lust definately plays a part here. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"* Edited by orion Feb. 5, 2004, 02:30:22 PM EST Expand All History
Post #139,934 by pwhysall 2/5/04 3:19:27 AM Reply	Funny how the boob offends... ...but the adverts for penis pills and Pepsi don't. Have a word with yourselves. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #139,935 by deSitter 2/5/04 3:30:57 AM Reply	Well that's the whole point It's tastelessness that offends, and yes, bigger dick and rapping grinding soda ads are also stupid and tasteless. The boob thing was not appropriate for a Sunday afternoon sports event because it was low-class jungle fever. -drl
Post #140,045 by orion 2/5/04 2:26:49 PM Reply	As I said, I never watched the Superbowl as I was studying for a final exam. So I missed the commercials. I saw an Internet link to the Drudge report and other sources on the Internet about Janet's boob. Yes, if I saw those commercials I most likely would find them offensive. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #140,108 by Ashton 2/5/04 6:27:04 PM Reply	It's not ABOUT the Superbowl, dingbat You just don't Get ANYTHING unless and until it is spelled out like some fucking VB recipe, in purest black/white digital think: Do Ya ?! And then you forget it. 3 minutes later. It's ABOUT: how -and dumped-upon-Whom- you toss around appalling pejoratives like whore. And at root level - it is ABOUT how anyone Makes Casual unThinking Judgments! (from imagined personal superiority / re the 'worth'(lessness) - that's implicit - of party A, B or entire Groups. It is about DEHUMANIZING the object of your personal scorn, precisely as in the cartoons of WW-II depicting The Buck-toothed Jap: so it's OK to Kill a Caricature; he ain't no human. All unawares.. And always & everywhere: this is about one's starkly-revealed personal level of sanctimony. It is therefore - YAN nasty reminder of what [some of us] see associated too bloody often with Fundies generally; but especially home-grown Murican Fundie Xians: who ALWAYS have a sneering JUDGMENT to make on everyone not xactly like THEM. There's your 'company'. <<< You wanna call someone a whore? (so you can feel virtuous because nobody ever Ever.. paid You?) -- you'd damn well better have personally PAID HIM/HER -first- or yer just another Rev Foulwell in drag. Ashton Let's bury whore right next to innovation. Both words have been destroyed by 1st Degree Language murder
Post #140,112 by boxley 2/5/04 6:38:51 PM Reply	OT Nit minor defence when my sister in law died after a 20 year relationship with her man, my wife described seeing him after 2 years talking to some neighborhood women who were flirting with him. "lookit Jose with his whores" some folks use that term to describe an emotional hurt whether a true statement or not. thanx, bill I do hold an englishman's brothel is his castle , where he should behave accordingly--as many flash tails as he likes , but none of the troop fornications that the orientals and germans indulge in. Its not the indecency I mind , but the company of a lot of boozy brutes hallooing and kicking up a deuce of a row when I want to concentrate and give off my best. A regular bacchanalia is something to see right enough, but I am with the discriminating Frog who said that one is interesting, but only a cad would make a habit of it. Sir Harold Flashman esquire VC OBE questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #139,893 by drewk 2/4/04 11:00:11 PM Reply	I've decided I have to disagree with you No, I don't think it's a big deal. But the point is, she wouldn't have done it if she didn't want to get a reaction. I'm pretty confident it came off exactly as intended. It's possible that they just wanted to tear off part of the leather, leaving the red bras as she claims. But even in that case, she was explicitly trying to provoke a reation. In other words, her intent was titillation. That being the case, I don't think she can now claim it's not really a big deal. It's like the photographer a couple of years ago who showed a picture of a crucifix that looked like it was surrounded in smoke. Turns out it was immersed in a jar of the photographer's urine. He titled the photo "Piss Christ". Then he said that he didn't do it to be offensive: the urine just had interesting refractive qualities. Yeah. You don't get to intentionally provoke a reaction, then complain that people are reacting. === Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
Post #139,955 by Arkadiy 2/5/04 8:32:24 AM Reply	Here is a better (looking) handbasket (Mind you, I have no idea if she is talented. But at least she does not have an "Used Whore" srmped of her forehead. Yet.) [link\|http://musicfinder.yahoo.com/artist/photos/1804705859/476841\|http://musicfinder.y...1804705859/476841] -- Select [link\|http://www.glumbert.com/pictures/Default.asp?index=30\|here].
Post #139,967 by boxley 2/5/04 10:03:53 AM Reply	ROLF!!!!! better looking but (rumored) much more milage I do hold an englishman's brothel is his castle , where he should behave accordingly--as many flash tails as he likes , but none of the troop fornications that the orientals and germans indulge in. Its not the indecency I mind , but the company of a lot of boozy brutes hallooing and kicking up a deuce of a row when I want to concentrate and give off my best. A regular bacchanalia is something to see right enough, but I am with the discriminating Frog who said that one is interesting, but only a cad would make a habit of it. Sir Harold Flashman esquire VC OBE questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #139,972 by Arkadiy 2/5/04 10:37:51 AM Reply	I did say "yet" It will show, eventually. -- Select [link\|http://www.glumbert.com/pictures/Default.asp?index=30\|here].
Post #139,977 by pwhysall 2/5/04 11:28:12 AM Reply	Riiiiiight. [link\|http://musicfinder.yahoo.com/artist/photos/1804705859/476842\|http://musicfinder.y...1804705859/476842] If the above linked photo isn't playing the "all the men secretly like a tart" card, then I don't know what is. Good lord. You're not just a prude, but a mysognistic one at that. "See, THAT's a whore, but THIS is tasteful." Personally I see no difference between the pictures of Beyonce in her "if you peek you can see, can't you" jewellery blouse thing and Janet with her "boob with entertaining nipple ring" incident. They're both doing what female artists have had to do since the dawn of the music industry - display the requisite amount of flesh for the drooling masses to drool over (sells records) and for the Moral Majority to fuss over (sells records). It's just as well that we're not discussing the musical merits of Beyonce Knowles and Janet Jackson, actually; IMHO, neither one is much more than an above-average karaoke singer. Now, Sigrid from [link\|http://www.qntal.de/flash/english/index.html\|Qntal] is your actual artist. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
Post #140,019 by Arkadiy 2/5/04 1:18:28 PM Reply	Not tasteful, just better looking -- Select [link\|http://www.glumbert.com/pictures/Default.asp?index=30\|here].
Post #140,119 by Ashton 2/5/04 7:29:24 PM Reply	Holy G\ufffdtterdammerung, Batman! Sounds for Our Times.. I hear.. November sees Osama paraded / Neoconman smirks everywhere / Sheep join parade [n+1] marlowes running the asylum.. Bushie's new under-the-radar nukes tried out to [next] effect: Iraq⁶ Galvanizes the Crusadees.. [natch] Paki Surprises.. Nuclear winter.. On-the-radar.. (But sales of Urban Assault Vehicles peak, as do trips to Disneyland, CC debt and religious conversions to Nihilism-lite. Baptism in Gatorade.) I hear.. some Heavy Cherman dudes & dudesses - ruminating. Meanwhile.. let's everyone just Have a Nice Day, in the interim :) Sick Transit, Gloria - it's Monday
Post #140,073 by deSitter 2/5/04 4:02:24 PM Reply	baby got back! -drl

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