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If the person is a US citizen leaving the US TO go to another country, they are emigrating from the US. Using the United States as the frame of reference, they are emigrating. If you use the place they are moving to as the frame of reference, they are immigrating. So, if you're in New York, watching them sail past the Statue of Liberty in some human scow, you'd say they are emigrants. Some time later, in (for example) Sri Lanka, someone watching them sail in an the aforementioned human scow would call them immigrants (and probably be holding signs saying "Yankee Go Home" to boot).

You can think if it as emigration == uploading people (emigrants), and immigration == downloading people (immigrants).

If he wanted to discuss both the inflow and outflow of people, he should have simply used the word "migration", as in "permitting unrestricted migration to and from the US", or to be even more specific considering the context, "permitting unrestricted labour migration to and from the US". However, he was specifically talking about the movement of US labour "to ANY country in the world", which means he's talking about emigration, not immigration.

Mind you, the US already has this in certain labour sectors: Mexican fruit pickers in California and Florida already represent an unrestricted flow of seasonal labour over one of their borders. However, it's not strictly speaking legal (though it's entirely possible that the blind eye has been turned for so long that an argument could be made that it is in fact legal due to lack of enforcement).

Of course, this leaves the question of how the US would force target countries to accept US immigrants completely open...
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New Ya got it effing backwards, ya numbskull.
Inthane was NOT "specifically talking about the movement of US labour 'to ANY country in the world'" -- he was talking about allowing movement of labour INTO the US.

But thank you sooo much for explaining the difference between emigration and immigration to me.

Are there any other simple words you think I need to know?


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
You know you're doing good work when you get flamed by an idiot. -- [link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/34218.html|Andrew Wittbrodt]
New Here's the quote, dumbass
"Either restrict the flow of money, or allow unfettered immigration to ANY country in the world."

You can't allow "immigration to ANY country in the world", you can only allow "immigration from ANY country in the world".

Of course, in real terms, the US does allow emigration to any country in the world; the problem is getting the countries to actually let them in to work.
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New I wish we did some forcible emigration
My list of people that I'd like to see emmigrate includes Ashcroft, Bush, Karl Rove...

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Expand Edited by ben_tilly Jan. 29, 2004, 11:31:22 AM EST
New ObPedanticSpellingNit: emigration <- one m.
Gotta keep the grammar/spelling flame alive... thanks for providing the opportunity to do so! ;)
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New Not possible
other countries will not want them. :)



"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New FROM any country, and it also works
New Here's the SIGNIFICANT quote, nitwit:
Money flows in and out of the U.S. like water, without (significant) restrictions, yet the movement of labor is strongly restricted.

Which way is it that "movement of labor is strongly restricted" in the US, ya think -- out of the country, or _into_ it? (You see any "ENS" rangers patrolling the Rio Grande, trying to keep the gringos IN?!? :-)



You can't unilaterally "restrict the [international] flow of money", either; t'would take international regulations.

And in *that* context, yes, you COULD make sure to "allow unfettered immigration to ANY country in the world".


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
You know you're doing good work when you get flamed by an idiot. -- [link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/34218.html|Andrew Wittbrodt]
New "migration" works best for what I was trying to say. Thanks
     'Illegal': Slur or accurate label? - (lincoln) - (41)
         Proper term is "illegal alien" - (deSitter)
         Searching for a slur - (Silverlock) - (1)
             That is a descriptor not a slur - (boxley)
         You know, there is another word for them that is more - (orion) - (37)
             So what do you call somebody who violates an unjust law? - (inthane-chan) - (36)
                 A couple of nits - (jake123) - (10)
                     Huh?!? - (CRConrad) - (9)
                         Simple - (jake123) - (8)
                             Ya got it effing backwards, ya numbskull. - (CRConrad) - (6)
                                 Here's the quote, dumbass - (jake123) - (5)
                                     I wish we did some forcible emigration - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                         ObPedanticSpellingNit: emigration <- one m. - (jake123)
                                         Not possible - (orion)
                                     FROM any country, and it also works -NT - (hnick)
                                     Here's the SIGNIFICANT quote, nitwit: - (CRConrad)
                             "migration" works best for what I was trying to say. Thanks -NT - (inthane-chan)
                 Still a criminal - (orion) - (24)
                     Criminal? name the statute - (boxley) - (6)
                         Read it for yourself - (orion) - (5)
                             reading for comprehension and profit - (boxley) - (3)
                                 Apparently I was wrong - (orion) - (2)
                                     I'm proud of ya Norm - (Silverlock) - (1)
                                         I should have paid better attention - (orion)
                             ignore dupe - (boxley)
                     Re: Still a criminal - (inthane-chan) - (16)
                         You are not getting it - (orion) - (15)
                             Re: You are not getting it - (deSitter) - (1)
                                 I got it now - (orion)
                             Nope, you aren't. - (inthane-chan) - (12)
                                 There are no closed boarders - (orion) - (11)
                                     Then you still aren't getting it. - (inthane-chan) - (10)
                                         No wonder I am not getting it - (orion) - (1)
                                             Yeah, capital and labour have no relationship at all. - (jake123)
                                         Um, I don't find that point obvious either - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                                             Re: Um, I don't find that point obvious either - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                 But it isn't a closed system - (ben_tilly)
                                             No, let's not. - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                 It's natural Canadian modesty - (deSitter)
                                                 I can - (orion)
                                                 OT: arrogates - (hnick)
                                                 Then don't, his choice. - (ben_tilly)

Did you, ummmmmmm, see the TPS memo?
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