Post #138,391
1/28/04 5:03:17 PM
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Re: Better than Bush.
Our sainted admin points out the obvious (obvious to all, apparently, except friend mmoffitt, who obviously didn't smoke enough dope in his formative years if he can't figure this out) when he says If you don't vote against [Bush], then you're implicitly condoning him. A writer to the letters column of today's SF Chron makes the same point less economically but with a certain eloquence: Editor -- When this generation of Americans stands before the tribunal of history to answer for the crimes of the Bush regime, I can think of only three arguments we might make in our defense. The first two would excuse a child: One, that the events of Sept. 11, 2001, threw us into an unreasoning panic; two, that we were lied to so extravagantly and often that we began to believe that the lies were true. We, however, are adults.
The third possible defense is that we did not know our leaders could be so callous, cruel, unjust and corrupt, and the vehemence of their assault on our moral values and democratic institutions caught us by surprise. This defense, of course, will only hold if we rise up now and drive them out of office. Otherwise, our condemnation will be assured and richly deserved.
DANIEL GREEN
Berkeley It could be futile, particularly if, as I strongly anticipate, this gang is preparing to commit massive electronic vote fraud should that prove to be what's needed to maintain themselves in power, but given what's at stake, 2004 is not the year to make a fetish of one's own imagined political virtue. To spurn the perceived lesser of two evils is, in this instance, to be complicit in gorging an evil incomparably more loathsome. Hold your nose if necessary, but make your vote count, and hope that we can force them to count the votes. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #138,393
1/28/04 5:10:14 PM
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Heh. I'm not nearly so clueless.
Despite not having rotted my brain matter with the non-therapeutic use of psycho-active medications while attending college.
...obvious to all, apparently, except friend mmoffitt...
His point and yours are obvious to me. But only the most naive of naive would believe that casting my vote for anyone not wearing jack-boots in the state of Indiana is anything more than tilting at windmills.
bcnu,
Mikem
I don't do third world languages. So no, I don't do Java.
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Post #138,395
1/28/04 5:15:11 PM
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So it's a windmill. You got anything better to do?
In a political context, of course.
Everybody has something better to do than politics. A colonoscopy, while eerily similar, is probably better than politics.
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Post #138,439
1/28/04 8:51:52 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
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Post #138,396
1/28/04 5:17:05 PM
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There is such a thing...
... as making your voice heard. Sure, you may lose in that state, but perhaps not by so much this time. And a bit less the next. In fact, if everyone felt as you do, we'd never know if the balance of power in Indiana ever tipped. The possible majority who would vote non-Republican would just stay at home, convinced that their vote wouldn't count.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #138,406
1/28/04 6:03:01 PM
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on the futility of voting in Indiana
Even stipulating that Indiana's electors will inevitably be fed to the plutocrats, you will have the satisfaction (assuming that the Diebold plotters sensibly refrain from tampering with a sure thing and concentrate their electoral larcenies in the so-called "battleground states") of knowing that yours will be among the tens of millions of popular votes—and remember that the bad guys came out on the ass-end of half a million of these last time—that will be cast against the regime. Each tick in that total is a refutation, however tiny, of the mandate they claim.
cordially,
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
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Post #138,415
1/28/04 7:17:59 PM
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As in, REDEFEAT BUSH IN '04 (if I could get that sticker..)
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Post #138,416
1/28/04 7:22:52 PM
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You're in luck. (7346 byte .gif)
[image|http://www.redefeatbush.com/images/store/bumpersticker.gif|0|ReDefeat Bush Bumper Sticker|98|200]
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #138,421
1/28/04 7:27:36 PM
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Re: You're in luck. (7346 byte .gif)
That's the Texas (and NC) flag!
Based of course on the 1st flag of the United States of 1861.
-drl
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Post #138,423
1/28/04 7:36:36 PM
1/28/04 7:40:46 PM
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NC Flag, 4 KB
[image|http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/flags/northcarolina/northcarolinaflag.GIF||||]
The Texas flag has red on the bottom and white on top.
[image|http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/flags/texas/texasflagsmall.GIF||||]
Alex
The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled. -- Plutarch
Edited by a6l6e6x
Jan. 28, 2004, 07:40:46 PM EST
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Post #138,429
1/28/04 7:58:13 PM
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Guess they each claimed 1/2 :)
The FFOC had three bars, white in the middle :)
BTW the one star is from the "Bonnie Blue Flag", which intially was used as a battle flag before Beauregard's famous variant on the St. Andrew cross.
I see that Georgia has adopted another new flag, this one explicity based on the FFOC:
[image|http://www.flaginstitute.org/elements/fi_gifs/us-georgia2.gif||||]
Now, this should be more objectionable than the original, as the Beauregard "battle flag" represented the Confederate soldier, who in the vast majority of cases owned no slaves, rather than the State, which officially sanctioned slave ownership.
Bonnie Blue Flag:
[image|http://www.anyflag.com/history/bonnie.gif||||]
The first recorded use of the lone star flag dates to 1810. On September 11, 1810 a troop of West Florida dragoons set out for the provincial capitol at Baton Rouge under this flag. They were joined by other republican forces and captured Baton Rouge, imprisoned the Governor and on September 23, 1810 raised their Bonnie Blue flag over the Fort of Baton Rouge. Three days later the president of the West Florida Convention, signed a Declaration of Independence and the flag became the emblem of a new republic. By December 10, the flag of the United States replaced the Bonnie Blue after President Madison issued a proclamation declaring West Florida under the jurisdiction of the Governor of the Louisiana Territory. With this rebellion in mind, this flag was used by the Republic of Texas from 1836 to 1839. On January 9, 1861 the convention of the People of Mississippi adopted an Ordinance of Secession. With this announcement the Bonnie Blue flag was raised over the capitol building in Jackson. Harry McCarthy was so inspired that he wrote a song entitled "The Bonnie Blue Flag" which became the second most popular patriotic song of the Confederacy. The Confederate government did not adopt this flag but the people did and the lone star flags were adopted in some form in five of the southern States that adopted new flags in 1861.
The Texans in their way, stole it and renamed it the "Lone Star".
-drl
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Post #138,422
1/28/04 7:29:38 PM
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Gracias! time to swap in the Color cartridge.
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