You left one out

Post #137,793

1/26/04 10:51:50 AM

8/21/07 12:40:53 PM

You left one out

The difference being..the guy in your work pod doesn't have:
1. A government telling him which faith to follow.

Allow me to add a big YET there.

[link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/3419693.stm|http://news.bbc.co.u...world/3419693.stm]

Whatever the answer, it is clear that the conservative Christian morality of President Bush is finding its way into legislation that promotes abstinence.

The Bush administration gave $120m to abstinence organisations last year.

[link|http://www.plannedparenthood.org/enews/040121_birth_control.html|http://www.plannedpa...irth_control.html]

The 2004 Women's Health Daybook, distributed by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, fails to address pregnancy prevention, say leaders of more than 30 state and national organizations engaged in promoting women's health.

[link|http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/neapolitan/article/0,2071,NPDN_14939_2565974,00.html|http://www.naplesnew...9_2565974,00.html]

"The overall concern is that the top managers of the park service are implementing a conservative agenda that is at odds with their duties as custodians of the nation's heritage," said Jeff Ruch, director of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, a nonprofit group of federal and state resource workers.

The criticism began just weeks after "Grand Canyon: A Different View" went on sale at the park's bookstores in August, said park spokeswoman Dawn O'Sickey.

"This is a book that by its cover it shouts out, 'This is a biblical interpretation of how the Grand Canyon came to be in only thousands of years,'" Ruch said. "This is a decision to approve, in essence, a religious book."

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Looks like this government is well on its way to telling the people which faith to follow.

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Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 12:40:53 PM EDT

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Post #137,794

by FuManChu

1/26/04 10:53:51 AM

True enough--they need to be stopped. Vote!

Post #137,842

by ben_tilly

1/26/04 2:14:36 PM

1/27/04 11:20:46 AM

And the Religious Right appreciates him

I just read Kevin Phillips' new book, American Dynasty. Lots of interesting stuff. The most relevant one is that Bush is loved by the Religious Right, getting 84% of their vote in the last election. They were around half of all votes that he got.

In fact he has them so well sewn up that he asks for, and gets, distance from their major leaders. Through channels the leaders can let their flock know who to vote for and Bush doesn't have to do anything that would generate negative publicity. Bush also can "talk in code". He routinely makes clear Biblical references which refer to things that are relatively obscure for people who don't read their Bibles closely. The result is that anyone who reads the Bible has Bush's views confirmed, while anyone who doesn't won't notice a thing.

Cheers,
Ben

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Edited by ben_tilly Jan. 27, 2004, 11:20:46 AM EST

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Post #138,121

by CRConrad

1/27/04 11:18:33 AM

Their Bible's what?

Post #138,207

by imric

1/27/04 8:12:52 PM

Bah. Anyone?

I read the Bible.

Bush is just another homocidal idiot using the Bible as a justification to grab power.

Just like so many others through the centuries.

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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #138,213

by Ashton

1/27/04 8:28:51 PM

Well.. OK. But - -

(Too-) Many Bibelistas Just Don't Get That: if you Say Jesus is On Your Side, why..

How COULD You Be Lying?

Discrimination is not a part of the Bible-embracing process: Apparently; and over and over and Pat Robertson and well, You Know

Post #138,229

by orion

1/27/04 10:38:00 PM

Jesus is alright with me. :)

(Too-) Many Bibelistas Just Don't Get That: if you Say Jesus is On Your Side, why..

How COULD You Be Lying?

Discrimination is not a part of the Bible-embracing process: Apparently; and over and over and Pat Robertson and well, You Know

I for one have the opinion that one cannot know if Jesus is on their side or not. It depends on how that person picks up their cross and follows Jesus to know for sure that Jesus is on their side. Sure I have my cross or crosses, my illnesses and my mental state. I try to follow Jesus as best I can, but I stumble and trip. I sometimes need help carrying my cross or crosses. I know that others have heavier cross and crosses than me, but I do what I can with mine. I hope and pray that Jesus is on my side despite the mistakes I have made. I really do not know for sure as I am not all-knowing. I can only guess that he is because I have suffered and carried my own cross or crosses and tried to follow him.

What cross does Pat Robertson carry? Or does he put crosses on other people? Is he really representing Jesus, or is he trying to make money off of Jesus? I tend to think the later. Just like the money-changers in the Temple of God, Jesus would have driven him out for using God to make money. I certainly am not making money off of God, would not dream of it.

Paul warned us about "Super Apostles" that can do amazing things. That they are "sham apostles, confidence tricksters masquerading as apostles of Christ." We were warned about them, but Christians still fall for their song and dance. I would guess that these people do not have Jesus on their side, despite using his name.

For more info:
[link|http://www.intelligentchristian.org/Super_Apostles.htm|http://www.intellige...uper_Apostles.htm]
[link|http://www.cultwatch.com/superapostles.html|http://www.cultwatch...uperapostles.html]
[link|http://christian-bible.com/NewTestament/Paul/2corinthians.htm|http://christian-bib.../2corinthians.htm]

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Post #138,254

by Ashton

1/28/04 1:22:22 AM

Streamofconsciousness can be fun..

Akshully though, I'd say you indeed troubled to read the juicy bits with comprehension, such as many miss: indeed, many shall there be of the faux-prophets as shall pretend kinship with moi..

(The Esperanto Translation according to secret sources)

And with techno-magnification, we now have a 24/7 Plague of Locusts - which I believe was the general topic of this threadlet.

(Whatever inner dialogue works for you - is just fine. Nothin wrong with JC - it's just that a lot of his distant-followers/stragglers have become Real Boils on the Asshole of Humanity\ufffd)

And BTW.. if I read his stuff with comprehension (all the time tryin to stay well away from some of the psychos and misogynists who attached selves to the plot and guaranteed all the Warz and crap) - ya gets Brownie points for (Sincerely) Trying. ie No need for self-flagellation, for not really having the blueprint; the JC I read was no fucking CPA or Authoritarian anal retentive: those stepped in much later. As inevitably as lice. What ya think JC woulda thought of the Billy-level multi-billions in Corp stock of the present Keepers of the Faith?

Pity you had to link to Paul - that sucker was impotent, a misogynist - and has caused the suffering of millions of both genders ever since he began putting words in JC's mouth - how do I know? Experience. You don't need to be a shrink to spot symptoms of dysfunction.. and it sure ain't a God's dysfunction; Gods transcend gender politics, or so I've heard. (A dysfunctional God? Why that would have to look a lot like a John Ashcroft. Wouldn't it?)

So as Meher Baba (also) suggests, Don't worry. Be happy.
(But please - don't ever try to argue theology with either the washed or the unwashed - you aren't sinister enough to catch the sneaky word-mangling; y'know? :)

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