I wasn't so much "pissed (off)" about it, as that I just...

Post #13,766 by CRConrad 10/17/01 12:51:22 PM Reply	I wasn't so much "pissed (off)" about it, as that I just... ...found it wrong, irrelevant, not very reasonable. (At least to begin with -- I may have got pissed off about it later, after the Oenological One kept whining his stupid arguments in favour (and finally calling me a racist)... That reminds me, I gotta do what I've put off and then forgotten: Find Gerard's last stupid post in that thread, and tell him the fuck off.) Oh, and sorry: Israel is in Asia too. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #13,767 by addison 10/17/01 12:55:35 PM Reply	I don't recall 100%.... I'm trying to recall my geography and geology... Oh, and sorry: Israel is in Asia too. Isn't Europe, too? :) (the division into 2 continents is more of a white power thing than a geologic issue, right?) Addison
Post #13,776 by Steve Lowe 10/17/01 1:16:30 PM Reply	Re: I don't recall 100%.... Technical divison between Europe and Asia is the [link\|http://school.discovery.com/homeworkhelp/worldbook/atozgeography/e/186660.html\|Ural Mountains] in Russia, at least to the East. According to the link, the southern border would be the Mediterranean Sea, which if you extend that to include the Black Sea, would exclude Turkey and all of the Middle East. ----- Steve
Post #13,780 by addison 10/17/01 1:33:04 PM Reply	But is that... Because there's a change in the land mass, or just a convienient boundary? Addison
Post #13,799 by Steve Lowe 10/17/01 3:01:59 PM Reply	Convenience One page I read in my very brief search for a link stated "most geographers agree that the Urals are eastern border of Europe." I suspect the Urals limited European expansion to the East very early on and they themselves set that imaginary boundary. ----- Steve
Post #13,802 by boxley 10/17/01 3:11:16 PM Reply	I think it was the tribes that limited eastern expansion tartars, mongols etc. Didnja watch Taras Bulba (Yul Brenner, Tony Curtis) thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #13,775 by boxley 10/17/01 1:15:18 PM Reply	Asia Minor usually considered part of europe As well as other countries in the med lake. Algeria is a non starter as well? the french didnt think so a few years back. thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #13,815 by CRConrad 10/17/01 4:02:01 PM Reply	It is? By whom??? As well as other countries in the med lake. What's this, geography according to Oxley? No, Northern Africa has always been regarded as Northern Africa, not Europe. Algeria is a non starter as well? Yes. Northern Africa has always been regarded as Northern Africa, not Europe. the french didnt think so a few years back. The French... That says it all, doesn't it? Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #13,824 by Ashton 10/17/01 4:35:42 PM Reply	Heh.. French Guiana !?! Ah yes.. they Are a funny race.. they.. However that last wasn't so bad after all, now was it? Especially good antidote to anyone's creeping Puritan tendencies, I'd say :-P But then the Brits thought to keep Their version of a Guiana a while too. And Spain - well, they managed to fuck up a whole continent! from their tiny medieval-think prison. How's come we aren't ragging the Spaniards for setting things up for the [ugh] missionaries and the predictable genocides of kinda neat red folk hereabouts ? (At least - ain't never heard of a &*$%($^ Finnish Guiana! or Danish Equatorial Africa! or Swedish Protectorate!) Er well - the Danes did got Iceland, but - it's a dry heat.. Never mind. Just contemplating how we all got ourselves into the bizness mindset, despite its common thread of utter boredom.. in its repetitive, subhuman daily droid-work [??] with lies for breakfast. What are we then: just fucking biped packrats? Ashton
Post #13,839 by a6l6e6x 10/17/01 5:53:24 PM Reply	The Danes do have Greenland. 2,175,600 sq km (about 84% ice-capped) is not chicken feed. That's slightly more than three times the size of Texas. [link\|http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gl.html\|According to the CIA.] Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #13,858 by Ashton 10/17/01 7:14:18 PM Reply	Yabut a climate just as ugly - only opposite temp direction!
Post #13,942 by CRConrad 10/18/01 8:54:11 AM Reply	Yeah, they kept it when Iceland broke free. So what?
Post #14,033 by a6l6e6x 10/18/01 5:00:19 PM Reply	Ashton was obsolving Danes of New World "colonies". Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #14,043 by CRConrad 10/18/01 5:42:03 PM Reply	Ah, OK,I see. But since the prevailing definition of "New... ...World" seems to be, "that stuff Columbus found (and never mind the Vikings)", the case could be made that Greenland is actually "Old" World. OTOH, of course, they did have colonies in the "Real New World", as did Sweden. Both had some islands in the Carribean IIRC (Sweden's is (was?) called St Bartholome'), and what used to be New Sweden is now pretty much Delaware, I gather. Dunno if Denmark had anything on the North American mainland, though. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #13,914 by mhuber 10/18/01 1:52:59 AM Reply	Well, there was at one point. If I recall correctly, there was, at one point, a bit of a certain island that was called "Danelaw". ---- "You don't have to be right - just use bolded upper case" - annon.
Post #13,943 by CRConrad 10/18/01 8:54:49 AM Reply	And what continental shelf, exactly, do you think... ...that little island rests on??? The "Channel" is an intra-continental sound. (Or is Staten Island not a part of North America, either?) WTF is it with you Americans and your conception of geography -- do you ALL somehow fucking think Britain is not a part of Europe?!? Who the fuck told you that -- Maggie Thatcher on one of her anti-EU sprees, or what? Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #13,967 by mhuber 10/18/01 11:26:57 AM Reply	Sure, for some values of "Europe" But it sure ain't part of Denmark. ---- "You don't have to be right - just use bolded upper case" - annon.
Post #13,879 by boxley 10/17/01 9:49:26 PM Reply	Mussolini, DeGaul Ceasar the Norse All thought of the Med lake as part of theirs. The Norse always traded with Cadiz and Tripoli. Now is Estonia European or Slavic? I think Europe proper is defined by tribal groups not theology or geography.This would let out Poland, anything east of Danzig, East of Italy South of the Rock of Gibraltar and only the parts of Austria that are east of the danube. Finland barely makes it as well as Iceland in the Northern Areas. Better? thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #13,941 by CRConrad 10/18/01 8:53:47 AM Reply	Bullshit! (Or should I say, "Ox-crap!"?) You're gibbering. The Ox moos: [Mussolini, DeGaul Ceasar the Norse] All thought of the Med lake as part of theirs. So? You can own two things and that doesn't make them part of each other. Or is your car part of your house, just because you happen to own them both? The Norse always traded with Cadiz and Tripoli. And America (all countries, on both halves of the continent) trades with Japan and China. Does that make Japan and China parts of America, or the USA (etc) part of Asia? Now is Estonia European or Slavic? Both, of course. Well, only about half-Slavic, since the Estonians aren't a Slavic people, but the Russians (who make up about half the population) are. I think Europe proper is defined by tribal groups not theology or geography. That's pretty fucking goddamn stupid of you. But OK, I'll play along a little -- just as much as it amuses me to. (Because the amusement value is about all this silly notion is good for.) This would let out Poland, No, why? The Poles are a European people, just like many other (most West-) Slavic peoples. (Notably, the Czechs and Slovaks.) anything east of Danzig, Nope. East of Italy Absolutely not -- the South Slavic (in South-slavic [the language], that's "Yugo-slav"...) peoples are just as European as their West-Slavic brethren further to the north. South of the Rock of Gibraltar Of course. For one thing, there's a sea immediately south of the Rock, and south of that is another continent. And for another, in your terms, the Bedouins never were a European "tribe". and only the parts of Austria that are east of the danube. No, Eastern Europe is still Europe. Finland barely makes it as well as Iceland in the Northern Areas. Of course they "make it" -- no "barely" about it. Better? Nope. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything About Europe
Post #13,944 by boxley 10/18/01 8:59:09 AM Reply	Poles are European? By linguistic group? I think not, niether are Estonioans. The Nordic languages are euro, finnish is not, only included because of your civilizing presence. Hungary is asian as well as Balkans. thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #13,952 by CRConrad 10/18/01 9:48:59 AM Reply	Huh?!? But "European" ISN'T a linguistic grouping!!! Look it up -- you got your Germanic languages, your Slavic languages, your Romance languages... But no "Euroic" linguistic group. Oh, you mean your good ol' "Indo-European" super-group? Well, for one thing, that's largely irrelevant, since it has more to do with really, really ancient lingo-history than with any even remotely living cultural memory: Fucking sanskrit belongs to it -- are you going to say _India_ is part of Europe, too?!? (Actually, I thought you were going to, already -- on the grounds that it once "belonged to" the Brits... Do you see now, how stupid that argument was?) And for another, if you insist on going with it, then yes, the Poles are Europeans: Just like the Romance and Germanic languages, the Slavic languages are a part of the Indo-European language family. And the Balkans, with the possible exception of Albania (I think their language is Ur-European, i.e, pre-dating the "Indo-European" languages on the continent (kind of like Basque), but I'm not sure) are populated by Slavic-speakers, not "Asians". Oh, BTW, it seems you're lumping the Estonians in with the Poles, as Slavs / Slavic-speakers, right...? (You weren't explicit, but judging from your sentence structure.) If so, that's wrong -- Eesti is a Fenno-Ugric language, like Finnish and Hungarian. And no, that doesn't make them "Asian" either: The western branches of the Fenno-Ugric language family have been European languages -- by virtue of being spoken in Europe -- for millennia. Look, why can't you just accept the (to me, blindingly obvious) fact that you don't know shit about this all, and take my word for it when I tell you that I do? Otherwise, you'll just come off like a half-mad neolithic medicine man on speed, claiming to be "explaining" nuclear physics to... say, a junior high school physics teacher. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #13,981 by boxley 10/18/01 1:25:51 PM Reply	How many root words in the English language can be traced to Fenno-Ugric, Slavic, Maygar. None or damn few. Because they are asian. If they were european they would have integrated like the rest of the mutts and shown up in the polyglot called english. They didnt spend enough time in to qualify. Now where is that physics teacher that needs an explaination? thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #14,037 by a6l6e6x 10/18/01 5:14:56 PM Reply	Try these. English -- Slavic (for some values of Slavic) sister --- "sestra" brother -- "brat" mother --- "mata" milk ----- "moloko" water ---- "woda" Not identical, but clearly related (no pun intended). As CRC says, Indo-European roots. Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #14,093 by boxley 10/18/01 11:41:25 PM Reply	not valid germanic influence see British love for unflavored grain alchohol -10. thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
Post #14,136 by CRConrad 10/19/01 4:37:37 AM Reply	Stop being such an utter fuckwit. You're just plain WRONG!!!

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