Post #136,667
1/20/04 11:31:01 AM
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Re: DOJ - Microsoft settlment is a failure.
Question:
does anyone think that Google or *.pdf are in more danger than Quicken was from MS Money?
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Post #136,683
1/20/04 1:21:20 PM
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Yes
First, accounting software derives very little advantage from integration into the operating system. It can be easily substituted with another program. Integration into Office is another thing entirely, but so complex Microsoft is just now getting to that.
Second Money was not a very successful product and not well liked by home users. Further, Intuit aside from a near monopoly, had several unique advantages - on-line financial agreements and integration with tax preparation software.
Microsoft tried to buy Intuit to get their on-line banking agreements for bill paying and money transfers. Microsoft's stated goal was to charge a "vig" on every online financial transaction made.
Microsoft's lawyers screwed up (didn't file a response to an information request on time) and the Intuit buy was aborted.
Microsoft tried to integrate tax preparation with Money using their own tax software but discontinued that product because of low acceptance and the fact that sloppy programming and taxes don't go together. Intuit now owns outright TurboTax (for self preparers), TurboTax Pro (for small professional preparers) and Lacerte (for professional and institutional tax preparers).
This does not mean Microsoft is not preparing to take Intuit's business. They are currently preparing an all-out assault on QuickBooks and will leverage .NET, Longhorn and Project Green (total integration of accounting with Office), so you can expect Intuit to soon be as endangered as Adobe and Google (but they'll have to solve that tax preparation problem).
As for Adobe Acrobat - that's obviously extremely endangered because similar capabilities can be integrated into Office along with Digital Rights Management, making it less convenient and less "integrated" to use pdf.
Google is also an easy target since Microsoft controls Windows, Internet Explorer and MSN. Third party search functions can easily be made less convenient to access, and that has proved sufficient to drive out competition for other products.
So, in conclusion, Quicken is a much more difficult target, but it is a target. It'll be a while before Microsoft can really crush it, but Adobe Acrobat and Google are targets that are immediate and accessable.
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Post #136,741
1/20/04 5:03:36 PM
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Yes
Interesting response but search has been built into IE for a long time but people still use search engines Google now has the Google toolbar which lets you use Google at any time without changing pages and blocks pop-ups the installed base for Acrobat is huge, many OEMs include it and it sataisfies those who don't like MS so I don't see that one going anywhere anytime soon
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Post #136,780
1/20/04 9:23:42 PM
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Yes
Lotus 123 and WordPerfect once had market domination, but that didn't stop Microsoft from marginalizing them. Just leveraging Windows to make them a bit less convenient to use and maintain did the job in a few years.
PDF is much used now because Microsoft has no equivalent. I already see about as many .DOC files on the Internet as I do PDFs even though .DOC isn't equivalent. Whether PDF is supplanted depends on the acceptance of Longhorn and Microsoft's Rights Server. If Linux has captured a good portion of the desktop before Microsoft can get Longhorn rolling, PDF will survive.
Search engines are a much easier target. Microsoft hasn't tried at all to push them aside yet because their own search technology is 3rd party, but that's changing. Once Microsoft no longer depends on outside search engines you will see the playing field start to tilt.
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Post #136,809
1/21/04 2:48:37 AM
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But, hey, it's not...
...like you're trying to find -- or make up -- excuses for them, right?
And this fucker probably *still* claims not to be a Microsoft shill. Sheesh!
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
You know you're doing good work when you get flamed by an idiot. -- [link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/34218.html|Andrew Wittbrodt]
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Post #136,729
1/20/04 4:17:56 PM
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Interesting article (sorry if forum is wrong)
[link|http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue9_1/gerhart/index.html#g10|http://www.firstmond...rt/index.html#g10]
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Post #136,757
1/20/04 7:04:29 PM
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Exhaustive analysis
Marked for a more leisurely scan.
Maybe a topic for Open Forum? Demands some pondering about what it's reasonable to imagine a Search Engine to accomplish - before the politics, M$ and others' malware baggage has been affixed.
Ashton
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Post #136,759
1/20/04 8:21:26 PM
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if one is studying SNMP and want to see if there is
an available MIB for an OID and goole on MIB you will have to look for a long time brfore seeing something without Wil Smith in it. A Spider that rated equality as a drill down link and placed to top portion next to pages referencing SNMP and Mother's of Invention Band would be infinately more useful. thanx, bill
same old crap, con artists ripping off fools. Ah, hell, Catholic Church it start off that way. They All do. Jesus probably had three walnut shells one pea, then he's dead and can't be questioned, Gabriel Dupre
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #136,761
1/20/04 8:44:46 PM
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Google-Fu
[link|http://www.google.com/search?q=mib|mib] - (Note: didn't have to go very far for no Will Smith... ;-) [link|http://www.google.com/search?q=mib+-%22will+smith%22|mib -"will smith"] [link|http://www.google.com/search?q=mib+-%22will+smith%22+-%22mothers+of+invention%22|mib -"will smith" -"mothers of invention"]
Best:
[link|http://www.google.com/search?q=mib+snmp|mib snmp]
Lesson: the more specific selector words the better. :-P
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #136,770
1/20/04 8:55:18 PM
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they have improved the software then
back when I was doing a lot of that I would use mib snmp Sun Solaris Walk and get Wil Smith all day long thanx, bill
same old crap, con artists ripping off fools. Ah, hell, Catholic Church it start off that way. They All do. Jesus probably had three walnut shells one pea, then he's dead and can't be questioned, Gabriel Dupre
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #136,783
1/20/04 9:42:41 PM
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The Vivisimo search engine . .
. . (which I have been using more lately), neatly tree structured MIB with the following branches: Men In Black Management, Network SNMP Software Mail Archive Clan ietf, Draft Master, Business Insurers, Motor Charter Printer MIB Other Topics Borsa, Finanza Japanese . . . and many more Interestingly, they didn't seem to come up with the Mothers of Invention Band anywhere. [link|http://vivisimo.com/|Vivisimo].
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Post #136,749
1/20/04 6:00:26 PM
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Re: PDF
One of Microsoft's plans with Longhorn is to use their new XAML markup/declarative programming language as a "portable" document format, wrapped in DRM and executed by the recipient in a "secure" sandbox. There have been similar schemes using Java applets to represent/deliver documents.
-- Chris Altmann
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