Post #135,944
1/15/04 6:44:30 PM
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Oh hush.
You'll have to come up with more than that if you want to be taken seriously.
Given that Cygwin lives in its own directory tree and that removing said tree deletes it from your system save a couple of innocuous registry keys, what's the harm?
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Post #135,946
1/15/04 6:50:01 PM
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Re: Oh hush.
Not harm - more like "What's the use?" The very fact that it is so divorced from the Windows shell makes it more or less like an emulator - that is, not very useful.
-drl
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Post #135,949
1/15/04 6:54:11 PM
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It's worth having just for awk
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Post #135,950
1/15/04 7:01:32 PM
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Or find. Or grep. Or ls. Or...
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #135,952
1/15/04 7:06:22 PM
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Re: It's worth having just for awk
So I thought as well, but see my response to Scott.
-drl
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Post #135,954
1/15/04 7:08:18 PM
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I see that.
However, SFU is a piss-poor toolchain compared to Cygwin (go look in the bin directories if you don't believe me), doesn't come with XFree86, doesn't come with TeTeX (if you're into that sort of thing) and until today, wasn't at all free.
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Post #135,955
1/15/04 7:13:00 PM
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Re: I see that.
I don't even know what SFU is!
There are native versions of TeX for Win32. If you really need Windows to do TeX, get Windows TeX. (Why waste your money though? Get a Linux box and do it there.)
Call it "Ross' rule of OS isolation". I remember going through a manic phase of porting UNIX tools to VMS. Then I realized I wasn't using any of the things I moved over because I was thinking in VMS and used the VMS tools.
-drl
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Post #135,959
1/15/04 7:20:13 PM
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Well, Greg taught me
STFU JA.
Which is close enough.
In this case. Windows Services for Unix.
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Post #135,963
1/15/04 7:23:36 PM
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Re: Well, Greg taught me
The useful stuff in that (from the Windows viewpoint) is already in Windows 2000 and XP (telnet server and UNIX print interoperability).
-drl
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Post #135,966
1/15/04 7:29:41 PM
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Windows telnet server is unusably slow.
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Post #135,970
1/15/04 7:35:32 PM
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? how can a telnet server be "slow"?
You mean latency with keyboard actions? I did notice that IIRC, but it wasn't "unusable".
-drl
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Post #135,981
1/15/04 8:48:59 PM
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It can be slow...
Just because you understand what it is doing, doesn;t mean W2K or W2K3 can understand and reply as quickly as you would think.
If you ain't using "Windows Telnet" (piece of crap), the speed-ups they built into it (telnet) do not work. Same type of things they do for IE and IIS.
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Post #135,979
1/15/04 8:46:28 PM
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Bwahahaha, Love it.
I'd have to disagree with Ross.
Cygwin Does indeed have a Great Tool chain.
The reason you don't install Linux... is because you can't. Production machine are not sunk costs, you have to protect the investment value. You can not just yank a machine that has a Windows Product on it and put in a Linux machine. But, you could get away with Cygwin quite easily. It is typically smaller than Office. Will give you a "Real Code/Text Editor" too.
Cygwin being so Divorced is about as divorced as things get on UNIX. One but Separate, Seperate but as one.
Personally, I think it gives you tools to do your job (more) easily. Best part is... They don't run in Ring Zero.
SFU, is just a Lazy(easy as in not fighting for it) way to get some *NIX functionality.
Hell, Barry install both... see which one you end up using more. I know Cygwin ain't easy to justify, but the ability to install it *AND* get rid of it without "rebooting" has got to be very convincing.
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"Lately, The only thing keeping me from being a Serial Killer is my distaste for manual labor." -- Dilbert Calendar, January 4, 2004
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Post #136,008
1/15/04 9:46:31 PM
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Nothing special about windows shell
You run cmd.exe, I run bash.exe. What's the difference?
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-- James Lileks
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Post #136,058
1/16/04 9:25:08 AM
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Re: Nothing special about windows shell
If I go to company X and am stuck with Windows, I can put my console tools in my home directory and still use them.
You misunderstand - I agree that he UNIX tools are great, and Windows would be better with such things already present, but I'm convinced that painted-on functionality is a bad idea.
-drl
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Post #136,101
1/16/04 11:49:27 AM
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I was trying to say
that cmd.exe is as "pinted on" as bash.exe, Cygwin's default shell.
There are other shells for windows as well, although the names escape me at the moment.
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"It\ufffds possible to build a reasonably prosperous society that invests in its people, doesn\ufffdt invade its neighbors, opposes Israel and stands up to America. (Just look at France.)"
-- James Lileks
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