Re: Grid?

Post #13,553 by admin 10/16/01 9:21:28 AM Reply	Re: Grid? Then you would need a Turning Complete interpreter at the browser side. Yup. And I could care less. You haven't made the case that this is a bad thing. Does it actually have a "grid" widget, or does it just use a bunch of textboxes aligned in a grid? The latter, which is exactly how "grid widgets" are built in the first place. Again, since the developer doesn't know or care how it's done, this is a specious argument. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #13,708 by tablizer 10/16/01 11:28:54 PM Reply	more to grids than that >> The latter, which is exactly how "grid widgets" are built in the first place. << Real grid widgets also have vertical and horizontal scroll-bars and resizable column widths. >> Again, since the developer doesn't know or care how it's done, this is a specious argument. << Partitioning development so that one does not have to care about the other's work does not get away from relying on 2 protocols/langs. To recreate your solution, a company would have to hire somebody(s) who knows both JS and DOM. Your use of the term "generic library" is very loose. 1 < 2 ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #13,732 by admin 10/17/01 9:29:10 AM Reply	Re: more to grids than that Real grid widgets also have vertical and horizontal scroll-bars and resizable column widths. One word: Frames. Partitioning development so that one does not have to care about the other's work does not get away from relying on 2 protocols/langs. To recreate your solution, a company would have to hire somebody(s) who knows both JS and DOM. Your use of the term "generic library" is very loose. So assume that I create such an open source library and release it. Do your objections then go away? Regards, -scott anderson
Post #13,820 by tablizer 10/17/01 4:17:32 PM Reply	Frame == Grid? Egad! >> [Real grid widgets also have vertical and horizontal scroll-bars and resizable column widths.] One word: Frames. << Frames are the kind of "half-ess GUI" solutions I keep talking about. It is tough to get the column name headers to line up as you scroll on both axi, for one. Plus, column widths still don't resize well without a lot of putzing around. I can't call that a "real" GUI. (In all fairness, my demo does not impliment an actual grid. But if it did, it would use a real GUI grid {a VB Grid widget in this case}, not a hokey simulation.) >> So assume that I create such an open source library and release it. Do your objections then go away? << They would be reduced. Plus, we all would have something to actually compare and inspect. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #13,850 by pwhysall 10/17/01 6:46:06 PM Reply	What's "Half-ess"? Half an S? Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #13,902 by tablizer 10/18/01 12:40:42 AM Reply	Reply re: S/2 >> What's "Half-ess"? Half an S? << It is a slightly nicer way to say "half-ass", you dumb-ass! Some people are offended by cussing due to religion or whatnot. I am just trying to respect their wishes a little bit. I am a nice person, you see. Got that fuckhead!? ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #13,918 by pwhysall 10/18/01 2:55:33 AM Reply	Don't swear then If you don't want to swear, don't. Don't pretend to. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #14,102 by tablizer 10/19/01 12:42:47 AM Reply	anyhow, anybdy still wanna defend frames as grid substute? ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #14,144 by admin 10/19/01 9:29:07 AM Reply	Not frames, frame. To satisfy the scrollbar requirement. Containing a single table. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #14,265 by tablizer 10/20/01 2:47:09 AM Reply	problems with that approach 1. The column headings don't stay at top or don't stay aligned if there is horizontal scrolling. (Most grids can "lock" columns vertically also.) 2. Frames mess up or confuse bookmarks (favorites) and printing. 3. You can't resize the column widths (by dragging the column heading borders). ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #17,435 by tablizer 11/8/01 11:23:21 PM Reply	Nobody is defending "frames == grid" after all these weeks Dare I use the word............"victory"? (I normally don't brag about such, but after all the unjustified clubby hammering I get from you guys, I feel entitled.) ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #17,456 by pwhysall 11/9/01 5:41:15 AM 11/9/01 5:42:46 AM Reply	Bryce No-one's talking about it because no-one gives a shit what you do or think. We've explained time and time again about this, and if you don't want to accept the clue I don't really think there's any profit to be gained in pursuing the matter. Code your stuff the way you want to -- but don't be surprised when you can't get a programming job with "oop.ismad.com" in your signature. The only thing worse than the OO zealots in comp.object is your continual[1] clue-free yammering about stuff that the people you're yammering at don't care about. You only add noise to those discussions. (Yes, I lurk on comp.object - it's a fascinating, growing psychological document) [1] And it bloody is continual, too - I counted 80 posts in a day from you, once. That's not "having a debate", that's "having a an obsessive-compulsive disorder". Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] Edited by pwhysall Nov. 9, 2001, 05:42:46 AM EST Expand All History
Post #17,533 by tablizer 11/9/01 2:45:53 PM Reply	I will bet you $100.00 >> We've explained time and time again about this, and if you don't want to accept the clue I don't really think there's any profit to be gained in pursuing the matter. << "accept a clue" is a personal insult. If you wish to insult somebody over technical claims, then please be prepared to back it up. If you want to discontinue your participation in this discussion, then simply say, "I disagree with you, but do not wish to participate in this discussion anymore". There is no need to post hit-and-run insults, like your "clue" shit. Such insults just make me more determined to present more details to back my view. Insults DON'T make me go away. If you can get HTML to do a grid "right" WRT to the column heading scrolling and left-locked columns, I will give you $100.00. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #17,590 by pwhysall 11/9/01 5:29:28 PM Reply	I don't care Bet all you like. I still don't care. You don't listen amd I don't give a flying fuck. You want an argument? Go troll elsewhere. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #17,809 by tablizer 11/11/01 9:57:59 PM Reply	And stop it with the "listen" sh8t You ain't no teacher, you are a preacher. Show me science and metrics and western reductionalism, not cliches and scripture. ________________ oop.ismad.com

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