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There's a lot more places to fly in small planes back east. Yes I took a nice day trip with my dad from Detroit to Mackinac Island. But more often than not flights were simply about "boring holes in the sky" as dad called it.

But my point is more along the lines that the C-172 is a design developed over 60 years ago and its still all we've got? I think that's criminal. Check the roles of the AOPA - the vast majority of its members are near retirement age. No young blood. Why?

The planes are too expensive and unexciting. The 172 burns too much gas and has too limited of a performance envelope. We can do better. The kit airplane people are doing great designs - but I don't have time to build my own plane. I want to buy one and I want one that takes into account the enormous hike in the price of gas. The 172 is emblematic of the inertia in GA today and its going to die out in another generation.




"I believe that many of the systems we build today in Java would be better built in Smalltalk and Gemstone."

     -- Martin Fowler, JAOO 2003
Collapse Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:40:34 AM EDT
That's cool
There's a lot more places to fly in small planes back east. Yes I took a nice day trip with my dad from Detroit to Mackinac Island. But more often than not flights were simply about "boring holes in the sky" as dad called it.

But my point is more along the lines that the C-172 is a design developed over 60 years ago and its still all we've got? I think that's criminal. Check the roles of the AOPA - the vast majority of its members are near retirement age. No young blood. Why?

The planes are too expensive and unexciting. The 172 burns too much gas and has too limited of a performance envelope. We can do better. The kit airplane people are doing great designs - but I don't have time to build my own plane. I want to buy one and I want one that takes into account the enormous hike in the price of gas. The 172 is emblematic of the inertia in GA today and its going to die out in another generation.




"I believe that many of the systems we build today in Java would be better built in Smalltalk and Gemstone."

     -- Martin Fowler, JAOO 2003
     Huh? How does a paraplegic fly a plane? Mikey? - (boxley) - (30)
         That's interesting. - (mmoffitt)
         Couple different questions in there - (tuberculosis) - (28)
             Heh. I won't show this to my father-in-law. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                 That's the one - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                     You haven't lived... - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Successfully land one, that is! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                 My old man had one... - (jb4)
             Re: Couple different questions in there - (deSitter) - (22)
                 I deliberately practice slips - (tuberculosis) - (17)
                     Slips are fun - (bbronson) - (16)
                         Right on1 '68 is New. Mine's a '61. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                             I'm leaning towards the 1940's and 50's - (bbronson)
                         Flying Fossil - (tuberculosis) - (13)
                             Re: Flying Fossil - (deSitter) - (2)
                                 Closer - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                     What you need. - (mmoffitt)
                             Re: 200+kt for $40k - (bbronson)
                             Hey, pahdna, them's fightin' words. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                 Chill - (tuberculosis) - (7)
                                     Cessna 172 - (jake123) - (4)
                                         That's a pretty poor bush plane - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                             I prolly misremembered the number - (jake123)
                                             Just pop in an Allison with a supercharger :) -NT - (deSitter)
                                         also Popular in Alaska -NT - (boxley)
                                     You know, some of us actually enjoy the trip. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                         That's cool - (tuberculosis)
                 Not a pilot, but... - (jake123) - (2)
                     And to keep the nose down the runway. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Push stick forward -- houses get bigger; pull stick back -- - (Another Scott)
                 The hardest thing for me about x-wind. - (mmoffitt)

Priorities, people. Jeez.
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