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Post #133,246
by drewk
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1/2/04 12:04:47 PM
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New Not quite
The way I heard it is that revolution comes from the middle class. The poor are too busy trying to find their next meal. The rich like things how they are. Revolution comes when the middle class realize that the rich are trying to turn them into the poor.
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Post #133,250
by mmoffitt
1/2/04 12:09:43 PM
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New Proletariat != middle class.
An argument heard often is that Marxism failed because in the West because it failed to predict the rise of the middle class. But, in the new millenium, perhaps equality will hold and you'll be right about the revolution.

When I think of the "worker's class" I think of what is called "the working poor". We may well be on the rapid path to turning the middle class into the working poor - and that, I grant you, would cause a revolution.

bcnu,
Mikem

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     Is Marx coming to pass? - (deSitter) - (16) - Jan. 2, 2004, 01:11:39 AM EST
         possibly - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Jan. 2, 2004, 02:22:31 AM EST
             My remarks aside, why it may not come. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Jan. 2, 2004, 12:01:03 PM EST
                 Not quite - (drewk) - (1) - Jan. 2, 2004, 12:04:47 PM EST
                     Proletariat != middle class. - (mmoffitt) - Jan. 2, 2004, 12:09:43 PM EST
         You heard it here first. - (mmoffitt) - (10) - Jan. 2, 2004, 11:57:42 AM EST
             Vindicated in what sense? - (ChrisR) - (9) - Jan. 2, 2004, 12:34:16 PM EST
                 Me @ 20, Both. Me now, perhaps only the former. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - Jan. 2, 2004, 05:01:38 PM EST
                     Agree wrt marketing pressures - (tuberculosis) - Jan. 2, 2004, 05:51:17 PM EST
                     In the End, Communism and Capitalism end up Same Results - (gdaustin) - Jan. 3, 2004, 10:28:45 AM EST
                     The Gods must be Crazy... - (gdaustin) - (5) - Jan. 4, 2004, 10:46:32 PM EST
                         There are no laws on oligopolies - (ChrisR) - (3) - Jan. 4, 2004, 10:57:24 PM EST
                             If I recall correctly . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Jan. 4, 2004, 11:15:40 PM EST
                                 Sounds about right - (ChrisR) - (1) - Jan. 4, 2004, 11:21:19 PM EST
                                     Cartels - (bepatient) - Jan. 5, 2004, 12:40:25 AM EST
                         [Something] must be Crazy... (new thread) - (Ashton) - Jan. 5, 2004, 07:26:14 PM EST
         More like a fusion of Capitalism and Socialism - (orion) - Jan. 2, 2004, 03:17:19 PM EST

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