I wanted to get it to learn to develop with

Post #127,862 by orion 11/27/03 1:19:56 PM Reply	I wanted to get it to learn to develop with so I could finally learn Dotnet. I could run it on a different system than my personal one. I got a W2K Server I am not using that much which can be turned into a Windows 2003 Server over at my father's house. VS.NET can be installed on it and I can spend time over there developing on it when I have free-time. What exactly do they expect me to develop for them? When I worked at a law firm and the surgical tools company they used MSDN licenses for business use and didn't get dinged by the BSA. I wonder why? New workstation installs used the MSDN copies of software, MSDN development machines were on the same network as business machines. The other alternative is to use my student status to get a educational copy of VS.NET for $85USD and learn from that. Won't be the Enterprise Edition, most likely would be a watered down Professional Edition? *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #127,873 by jake123 11/27/03 1:56:18 PM Reply	If you want to learn development buy a copy of eCS. It comes with Watcom, and gcc is readily available and easy to install. The full software development toolkit from IBM is also included, and if you're into device driver development, getting that is a free registration and download away from IBM. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #127,874 by deSitter 11/27/03 2:09:08 PM Reply	Whatcom? Watcom What? Wow that's a blast from the past.. That used to be the C yardstick. Anyone remember Microway? WATFOR AND WATFIV? -drl
Post #127,875 by jake123 11/27/03 2:27:31 PM Reply	www.openwatcom.org Go take a peep. Openwatcom 1.2 has just been released in open beta. It includes the C, C++, and Fortran 77 compilers. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #127,876 by altmann 11/27/03 2:54:41 PM Reply	Free Dotnet Tools The [link\|http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9B3A2CA6-3647-4070-9F41-A333C6B9181D&displaylang=en\|.NET Framework SDK] is free and includes the complilers. If you are looking at ASP.net development, [link\|http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabIndex=4&tabId=46\|ASP.NET Web Matrix] is a free IDE. For WinForms development you might try [link\|http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/Default.aspx\|SharpDevelop] -- Chris Altmann
Post #127,930 by CRConrad 11/28/03 6:02:42 AM Reply	Or C#Builder. From [link\|http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_csharpbuilder.html\|Borland]. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Resident [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=119792\|zIWETHEY pilkunnussija]
Post #128,012 by orion 11/28/03 4:34:11 PM Reply	While those are fine and dandy will I be able to get a job using them? Most jobs I have heard about require VS.NET skills. I want to avoid C# if I can. The ASP.NET IDE doesn't work with Wndows 98 and older OSes. I am trying to rebuild my system using new hardware and use XP, so it might work. I just got that Corsair XMS memory chip and once I install it, I'll see if the BSOD go away. I'll bookmark those suggestions and maybe try them out later. eCS is fine, but I've had problems running multiple OSes before. I'll consider it if I want to pursue C++ programming. Developing OS/2 or eCS programs could be a nice Niche Market. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #128,021 by altmann 11/28/03 6:25:32 PM Reply	Using VS.net is the easy part Get a text editor and the SDK and find a good book or online tutorial. Or go for that educational discount. I wouldn't worry about it only being for the Pro version. There's plenty there to work with. Of course the SDK as well as VS.net also require Windows 2000 or higher, so you're going to have to solve that problem first. -- Chris Altmann

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