Post #127,747
11/26/03 4:41:19 PM
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MSDN licence is different.
MSDN license lets you use their product for development purposes only. You can't use it for business purposes.
Essentially you are paying them to allow you to develop apps/devices to enhance their system. And you still don't get inside info unless you get a 'special' partnership with them, which is suicidal.
If you use a MSDN OS image for non-development purposes, you can expect the BSA to be banging on your door when they get around to it.
The point is, you get the stuff, but you can only use it in their interests. Eat with them, sup with a long spoon.
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Post #127,753
11/26/03 5:18:41 PM
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Actually
This particular ISV thing gets you the following for business use in addition to the dev only MSDN licenses:
Up to five (5) software licenses (for internal use):
Microsoft Windows\ufffd XP or 2000 Professional
Microsoft Office XP or Microsoft Office 2003 (Premium or Developer Edition)
One (1) software license and up to five (5) Client Access Licenses (CALs) for:
Microsoft Windows 2000 Server\ufffd (Standard or Advanced Edition) or Microsoft Windows Server\ufffd 2003 (Standard or Enterprise Edition)
Microsoft Exchange 2000 Server (Standard or Enterprise Edition)
Microsoft SQL Server\ufffd 2000 (Standard or Enterprise Edition)
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Post #127,862
11/27/03 1:19:56 PM
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I wanted to get it to learn to develop with
so I could finally learn Dotnet. I could run it on a different system than my personal one. I got a W2K Server I am not using that much which can be turned into a Windows 2003 Server over at my father's house. VS.NET can be installed on it and I can spend time over there developing on it when I have free-time.
What exactly do they expect me to develop for them?
When I worked at a law firm and the surgical tools company they used MSDN licenses for business use and didn't get dinged by the BSA. I wonder why? New workstation installs used the MSDN copies of software, MSDN development machines were on the same network as business machines.
The other alternative is to use my student status to get a educational copy of VS.NET for $85USD and learn from that. Won't be the Enterprise Edition, most likely would be a watered down Professional Edition?
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #127,873
11/27/03 1:56:18 PM
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If you want to learn development
buy a copy of eCS. It comes with Watcom, and gcc is readily available and easy to install. The full software development toolkit from IBM is also included, and if you're into device driver development, getting that is a free registration and download away from IBM.
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Post #127,874
11/27/03 2:09:08 PM
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Whatcom? Watcom What?
Wow that's a blast from the past..
That used to be the C yardstick. Anyone remember Microway?
WATFOR AND WATFIV?
-drl
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Post #127,875
11/27/03 2:27:31 PM
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www.openwatcom.org
Go take a peep. Openwatcom 1.2 has just been released in open beta. It includes the C, C++, and Fortran 77 compilers.
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Post #127,876
11/27/03 2:54:41 PM
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Free Dotnet Tools
The [link|http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9B3A2CA6-3647-4070-9F41-A333C6B9181D&displaylang=en|.NET Framework SDK] is free and includes the complilers.
If you are looking at ASP.net development, [link|http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/default.aspx?tabIndex=4&tabId=46|ASP.NET Web Matrix] is a free IDE.
For WinForms development you might try [link|http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/Default.aspx|SharpDevelop]
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Post #127,930
11/28/03 6:02:42 AM
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Or C#Builder.
From [link|http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_csharpbuilder.html|Borland].
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Resident [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=119792|zIWETHEY pilkunnussija]
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Post #128,012
11/28/03 4:34:11 PM
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While those are fine and dandy
will I be able to get a job using them? Most jobs I have heard about require VS.NET skills.
I want to avoid C# if I can. The ASP.NET IDE doesn't work with Wndows 98 and older OSes. I am trying to rebuild my system using new hardware and use XP, so it might work. I just got that Corsair XMS memory chip and once I install it, I'll see if the BSOD go away.
I'll bookmark those suggestions and maybe try them out later.
eCS is fine, but I've had problems running multiple OSes before. I'll consider it if I want to pursue C++ programming. Developing OS/2 or eCS programs could be a nice Niche Market.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #128,021
11/28/03 6:25:32 PM
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Using VS.net is the easy part
Get a text editor and the SDK and find a good book or online tutorial. Or go for that educational discount. I wouldn't worry about it only being for the Pro version. There's plenty there to work with.
Of course the SDK as well as VS.net also require Windows 2000 or higher, so you're going to have to solve that problem first.
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Post #128,015
11/28/03 5:11:34 PM
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Originally, that was the case . .
. . and Microsoft threatened to audit all developers to make sure they weren't using the packages in their business. Developers protested that without being allowed business usage it was impossible to do effective real world testing of their applications, and they couldn't afford to buy regular licenses for all that stuff, so Microsoft backed off.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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