Re: Which bible?

Post #12,755 by brettj 10/10/01 7:20:35 PM 10/11/01 12:14:28 AM Reply	Re: Which bible? The New KJV, published by Nelson, personal study version. My International bible, Scholars' edition from 1903, published by The John C. Wiston Co, has the same basic verses. Thanks for asking these very good questions. I'll try to answer them as best I can. "The translation of 28:1 seems OK. Though I'm not sure how it applys to the terrorists, since I can't see how you could not describe their actions as bold." You might consider the actions by the foot soldiers as bold but other have called them cowardly, especially since the leaders who sent them to their deaths didn't shed any of their blood in the action. Where are the terrorists now? Hiding in the darkness in fear and anger. The entire world is against them and they are not welcome in any country. bin Laden even threatened that America will not have peace until Palestine has peace. Apparently he thinks Muslems don't have peace and have lots to fear. If they could get rid of the terrorists and their civil wars, they'd have much less to fear. " The translation for 28:2 you give seems off though. The bibles I looked at all ran the other way on that verse, implying that many rulers are bad and that a single, wise ruler is good." I don't see many rulers as perceived as bad in this verse: [Because of the trangressions of a land, many are its princes, but by a man of understanding and knowledge, Right will be prolonged] Many princes are needed to reduce human evil, yet also needed is understanding and knowledge, whether supplied by one person or many people working together. Maybe the wisdom and knowledge might even be supplied by one or more of the prophets in the religious texts available to us? (or from some other form?) P.S. Yes, I may be stretching things a bit but in the long run (and with your insights) I might just discover the truth. Thanks. (: P.S. II - Blessed are the peacemakers (Matthew 5:9.) Edited by brettj Oct. 11, 2001, 12:14:28 AM EDT Re: Which bible? The New KJV, published by Nelson, personal study version. My International bible, Scholars' edition from 1903, published by The John C. Wiston Co, has the same basic verses. Thanks for asking these very good questions. I'll try to answer them as best I can. "The translation of 28:1 seems OK. Though I'm not sure how it applys to the terrorists, since I can't see how you could not describe their actions as bold." You might consider the actions by the foot soldiers as bold but other have called them cowardly, especially since the leaders who sent them to their deaths didn't shed any of their blood in the action. Where are the terrorists now? Hiding in the darkness in fear and anger. The entire world is against them and they are not welcome in any country. bin Laden even threatened that America will not have peace until Palestine has peace. Apparently he thinks Muslems don't have peace and have lots to fear. If they could get rid of the terrorists and their civil wars, they'd have much less to fear. " The translation for 28:2 you give seems off though. The bibles I looked at all ran the other way on that verse, implying that many rulers are bad and that a single, wise ruler is good." I don't see many rulers as perceived as bad in this verse: [Because of the trangressions of a land, many are its princes, but by a man of understanding and knowledge, Right will be prolonged] Many princes are needed to reduce human evil, yet also needed is understanding and knowledge, whether supplied by one person or many people working together. Maybe the wisdom and knowledge might even be supplied by one or more of the prophets in the religious texts available to us? (or from some other form?) P.S. Yes, I may be stretching things a bit but in the long run (and with your insights) I might just discover the truth. Thanks. (: Collapse All History
Post #12,833 by JayMehaffey 10/11/01 12:37:03 AM Reply	I can see I can see how you might read 28:2 that way from just the NKJV. But I would still read it the other way. Rather then saying that a land that is in disorder needs many rulers, I would read it as saying that a land that is in disorder will go through many rulers. This is clearly what the old KJV authors thought when they translated it this way When there is moral rot within a nation, its government topples easily. But with wise and knowledgeable leaders, there is stability. Youngs Literal has it like this When a country is rebellious, it has many rulers, but a man of understanding and knowledge maintains order. Most give the second part as refering to a single leader, but a few do render it in the plural. As for 28:1, I can't see much cowardly about the actions of the terrorists. The only part I would call cowardly is the way that Osma Bin Laden is praising the attack, but hasn't actually taken credit for it. Considering the kind of military force against them, hiding is the only sensible option open to them. Jay
Post #12,840 by orion 10/11/01 1:24:57 AM Reply	Oh, saw, can you see? A land going through turmoil may go through many leaders, but also will go through many citizens as well. A company in turmoil will go through many leaders and lay off at least 10% of it's employees, mostly the ones that helped stop the company from going all the way into the crapper. PHBs can ruin a company and suck the life out of a company faster than a Black Hole can. Weap and cry for such a company, they will lose their talented employees which shall quit before management figured out that it is management that is the problem and not the employees quitting. But rather than lay off the bad managers, they keep laying off the worker bees and the people that are not making the big bone-headed mistakes that can sink a company. *Picking up the pieces of my broken life.*
Post #12,871 by brettj 10/11/01 10:09:15 AM Reply	There is value in seeing it both ways. I see why you questioned my translation. I was sort of looking at the verses with a global perspective (the entire land). Many princes are needed in order to curb human evil. Yes, evil leaders will fall but together the group of princes with enforce justice. Does that help you to see it from the perspective I was coming from? Now I have two perspectives. (:

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