Microsoft fights GPL

Post #118,050 by Arkadiy 9/17/03 5:56:04 PM Reply	Microsoft fights GPL This is from their license for SOAP Toolkit 3.0 e.\t\tIdentified Software. Your license rights to the SOFTWARE are conditioned upon your (a) not incorporating Identified Software into, or combining Identified Software with, the SOFTWARE, or a derivative work thereof; (b) not distributing Identified Software in conjunction with the SOFTWARE; and (c) not using Identified Software in the development of a derivative work of the SOFTWARE. \ufffdIdentified Software\ufffd means software which is licensed pursuant to terms that directly or indirectly (i) create, or purport to create, obligations for Microsoft with respect to the SOFTWARE or derivative work thereof or (ii) grant, or purport to grant, to any third party any rights or immunities under Microsoft\ufffds intellectual property or proprietary rights in the SOFTWARE or derivative work thereof. Identified Software includes, without limitation, any software that requires as a condition of use, modification and/or distribution of such software that other software incorporated into, derived from or distributed with such software be (a) disclosed or distributed in source code form; (b) be licensed for the purpose of making derivative works; or (c) be redistributable at no charge. -- One Buffalo Bill And one Biffalo Buff
Post #118,053 by Andrew Grygus 9/17/03 8:27:46 PM Reply	Not a big deal, it'd be a violation of the GPL too. They're saying you can't tangle their stuff up with anything that would obligate them beyond their license terms. Fair enough. Likewise, the GPL says you can't tangle GPL'd code with stuff that would obligate beyond the terms of the GPL. I see no conflict. If you want to be GPL, why do you want to mess with Microsoft's stuff anyway? [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #118,107 by Arkadiy 9/18/03 10:44:41 AM Reply	Don't think so At the most strict interpretation, you can't use VC compiler driven by GNU Make. And you can't put bash and anything compiled with VC on the same CD. (did I mention that this language appears in Visual Studio .NET license?) -- One Buffalo Bill And one Biffalo Buff
Post #118,069 by kmself 9/17/03 11:45:18 PM Reply	Gratuitous sour grapes What Grygus said. \r\n\r\n I've seen more screwball licenses come out of Microsoft than just about anywhere. Some of them are downright hilarious -- they try to open up a codebase for some use, say teaching or self-exploration (no, not that Self), and then trip over themselves with internal inconsistencies trying to F.Y. the FSF. \r\n\r\n One of my early observations in looking at free software licenses is that you can tell what the author is concerned about by reading the license. It's what I call fear-greed analysis. \r\n\r\n \r\n FSF wants to free software, and is paranoid about hoarding. \r\n\r\n BSD/MIT want to promote adoption w/o regard for proprietary/free use, and are concerned about liability (as are virtually all licenses) and/or attribution. \r\n\r\n Apache wants the above but makes a gratuitous dig at the FSF (intentional retention of the advertising clause). \r\n\r\n Perl wants confusion to spread freely, with attribution. \r\n\r\n IBM is paranoid about patents. \r\n\r\n Mozilla wants to preserve a business model, in as free a framework as possible. \r\n\r\n AT&T wanted to get anything out the door, and settled on the best license they could wring from their lawyers (Plan9OS) \r\n\r\n Sun is petrified over losing control (Java II) \r\n\r\n Apple is like Sun, but with ego problems \r\n\r\n Corel was concerned with canadian law and minor participation in contracts. \r\n\r\n The OSL/ASL are concerned about the enforceability of free software licenses without use of contract law. \r\n\r\n Microsoft is scared shitless by the GPL. \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n And so it goes. --\r\n Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/\|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/\|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html\|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n

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