Andrew Gilligan: confirmed liar

Post #117,069 by marlowe 9/8/03 1:39:37 PM Reply	Andrew Gilligan: confirmed liar [link\|http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/paperboy.cfm?id=988422003\|The Scotsman has him dead to rights] Excerpt: THE reputation of Andrew Gilligan, the controversial BBC journalist at the centre of the Hutton Inquiry, has suffered another blow after previously unpublished documents reveal he misled MPs investigating the case for war with Iraq. The BBC reporter has already been criticised by corporation executives after he e-mailed two members of the foreign affairs select committee (FAC) revealing that Dr David Kelly was the source of a report by the BBC Newsnight journalist Susan Watts. It has since emerged that three days after sending the e-mail, Mr Gilligan told the committee he had no knowledge of the MoD scientists\ufffd dealings with other journalists, including Ms Watts. I say: Okay, so we've got us a bad apple. But this doesn't mean the BBC news organization is biased and incompetent as a whole. Just because they made such a big deal about what he alleged, with him as the only source... oh wait. Actually, it does seem to mean that. Any cartographer trying to map planet Brandioch had best not leave out Gilligan's Island. What a shipwreck. ---------------------------------------------------------------- DEAL WITH IT. Americans: a pack, not a herd. Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #117,072 by jake123 9/8/03 2:09:21 PM Reply	A sense of proportion A journalist who plays a little fast and loose, and three hundred dead US soldiers. Which one is more important? --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #117,077 by marlowe 9/8/03 2:32:41 PM Reply	A false dichotomy if there ever was one. Odd that the thousands of - documented - victims in mass graves in Iraq don't enter into your equation. Nor the thousands of innocents that will likely die if we don't wipe out such regimes. Proportion yerself. ---------------------------------------------------------------- DEAL WITH IT. Americans: a pack, not a herd. Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #117,080 by jake123 9/8/03 2:40:15 PM Reply	Those thousands are not your concern if you want to be honest. Which I doubt. After all, the folks appointed by Bush to run Iraq "in the meantime" is hiring the very people that put them there, aren't they? Saddam himself could only have personally killed a very small percentage of those people; the rest were killed by the folks that worked for him in his secret police... you know, the ones that are being actively recruited by the occupying power. The cloak of "we did it for the victiiiiiims" doesn't wear very well for the very people that put those people there and gave him the tools to do the job properly. You know, Rumsfeld, Rove, et al in the early eighties. Minds for whom rationality is the be-all and end-all like to pretend that history doesn't matter... esp. when it helps them to disguise the stench of the corpses they helped to create. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #117,084 by marlowe 9/8/03 2:51:02 PM Reply	That's as may be. Or may not be, given that... [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/iraq.html#ourfault\|...you shamelessly distort the historical record when cornered]. But if you opposed getting rid of Saddam, thus [link\|http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/09/1055010927084.html\|putting an end to this], then whoever has the moral high ground, it sure as hell ain't you bub. Tu quoque will not get you out of this one. ---------------------------------------------------------------- DEAL WITH IT. Americans: a pack, not a herd. Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #117,087 by jake123 9/8/03 3:26:04 PM Reply	Who sold the Iraqis the helicopters and chemicals used to gas the Kurds in the late eighties? --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #117,131 by warmachine 9/8/03 8:44:23 PM Reply	The BBC is naughty but the UK government is distrusted As I said before, the BBC has taken upon itself to become Her Majesty's Opposition and they will suffer for this later. Not all of the bashing from the Murdoch papers is unjustified. Fortunately for the BBC, they are not universally despised like the ex-head of the Department of Communications - Alistair Campbell. It will be a long time before anything from that department is believed, especially after the infamous, second 'dodgy dossier'. The UK public will trust the BBC much more than the current UK government. Matthew Greet But we must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? They lie. They lie and we must be merciful to those who lie. - Colonol Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
Post #117,174 by pwhysall 9/9/03 2:11:56 AM Reply	Re: The BBC is naughty but the UK government is distrusted Well, given the state of the real HMO, are you at all surprised that they've stepped into that role? I do wonder when they'll replace Mr Thingy. Hopefully with someone like Ken Clarke or Michael Portillo. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]

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