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Post #11,591
by marlowe
10/3/01 6:42:46 PM
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New In practise it may amount to the same thing. Or not.
I am prepared for both eventualities. Are you?

And are you even trying to be fair to either position?

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Post #11,619
by inthane-chan
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10/3/01 8:01:25 PM
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New If it does come to that...
I would take that step.

I would feel like shit, and probably totally lose my faith in the ability of the human race to fix its problems (hell, I'm halfway there already...) but you don't see me calling for Theocide from the starting line.

Your "friend" has forgotten something. This is not a religious war - this is a power struggle, that has taken on religious trappings. If we go after the whole religion, turn against all Muslims, then Bin Laden achieves his goals, in uniting the entire Muslim world against the "West," such as it is.

Translation: We just made a shitload more enemies.

And if you've been reading what I wrote, it's not about taking out all the Muslims, it's about taking out WHATEVER group happens to take actions against civilians, and not choosing the lesser of two evils, even if it costs us in the short run. This "He's more of a monster than you are, so I'll back you" bullshit is what gets us into this - and unless we do some MAJOR fucking housecleaning, our own house is going to fall in on our heads. Maybe not this time, but the next Bin Laden wannabe, whether he be Moonie, Sikh, or Christian, he'll figure out some way to make 9/11/2001 look like a firecracker.

All you're doing is making it so that monsters like him can rise up again. The lenerean hydra kept coming back because every time you cut off a head, two grew back. But if you burn that thing, EVEN IF IT BURNS YOU, it won't be coming back. Considering that this hydra has roots in us, we need to burn ourselves as well as Bin Laden.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
     Why America Has Already Lost the War - (Fearless Freep) - (40) - Oct. 3, 2001, 02:17:25 PM EDT
         Typical racist claptrap. - (inthane-chan) - (25) - Oct. 3, 2001, 02:32:11 PM EDT
             Oh, knock it off. - (marlowe) - (17) - Oct. 3, 2001, 02:34:03 PM EDT
                 You misunderstand my position. - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 3, 2001, 02:41:00 PM EDT
                 How do you define success? - (ChrisR) - (14) - Oct. 3, 2001, 02:52:29 PM EDT
                     It's not a war on terrorists. - (marlowe) - (13) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:13:24 PM EDT
                         Fine. - (inthane-chan) - (7) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:19:02 PM EDT
                             Did that happen recently? - (rsf) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:26:21 PM EDT
                                 Thought that was pretty much everybody against everybody... - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:30:16 PM EDT
                             Gawd, you're so blind. - (marlowe) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:38:36 PM EDT
                                 Yes. - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:47:45 PM EDT
                                     Small group of people? - (marlowe) - Oct. 3, 2001, 11:23:02 PM EDT
                             Too far - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Oct. 4, 2001, 02:01:22 PM EDT
                                 Go back and read what I said again... - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 4, 2001, 02:21:49 PM EDT
                         They want it to be a holy war - (Steven A S) - (4) - Oct. 4, 2001, 10:54:30 AM EDT
                             Those other Islamic nations? - (marlowe) - (3) - Oct. 4, 2001, 11:21:20 AM EDT
                                 whether or not we can count them as allies - (Steven A S) - (2) - Oct. 4, 2001, 11:46:54 AM EDT
                                     Fine. But let's watch our backs. (nomsg) -NT - (marlowe) - (1) - Oct. 4, 2001, 02:25:07 PM EDT
                                         That goes without saying -NT - (Steven A S) - Oct. 4, 2001, 04:52:49 PM EDT
                 A swing and a miss... - (jb4) - Oct. 3, 2001, 06:36:38 PM EDT
             as I see it... - (cforde) - (6) - Oct. 3, 2001, 02:45:51 PM EDT
                 Re: as I see it... - (rsf) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2001, 02:58:48 PM EDT
                     I don't see that - (cforde) - (1) - Oct. 4, 2001, 01:56:53 PM EDT
                         Re: I don't see that - (rsf) - Oct. 4, 2001, 02:09:57 PM EDT
                 Nope, all worship the same God - (kmself) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2001, 05:15:47 PM EDT
                     Doesn't help, then... - (pwhysall) - Oct. 3, 2001, 05:16:44 PM EDT
                 It's so you don't know whether to laugh or to cry... -NT - (CRConrad) - Oct. 4, 2001, 11:22:09 AM EDT
         Follow up - (link is timing out...growlf) - (Simon_Jester) - Oct. 3, 2001, 02:41:24 PM EDT
         Okay, I've read it.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2001, 02:57:43 PM EDT
             Me, Occured Same Suspicion About Day 2... -NT - (CRConrad) - Oct. 4, 2001, 11:22:39 AM EDT
         I have not personally lost a family member yet - (boxley) - (9) - Oct. 3, 2001, 03:03:20 PM EDT
             Worst possible course of action - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2001, 03:56:39 PM EDT
                 that was my point, MAD2 they need to understand that their - (boxley) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:05:55 PM EDT
                     Won't work - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2001, 09:50:37 PM EDT
                         whats yer point? - (boxley) - Oct. 3, 2001, 11:29:57 PM EDT
             We must not sink to their level. - (marlowe) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:31:05 PM EDT
                 How do you reconcile that with... - (inthane-chan) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:49:38 PM EDT
                     In practise it may amount to the same thing. Or not. - (marlowe) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2001, 06:42:46 PM EDT
                         If it does come to that... - (inthane-chan) - Oct. 3, 2001, 08:01:25 PM EDT
             "Wrongly"? I think they got that "link" all right, at least. -NT - (CRConrad) - Oct. 4, 2001, 11:23:19 AM EDT
         Typical - (JayMehaffey) - Oct. 3, 2001, 03:41:44 PM EDT

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