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New Kelly keeps score: Iraq vs Kosovo
[link|http://washtimes.com/commentary/20030826-092629-5614r.htm|Isn't it just awful?]

Excerpt:

Mr. Rahim said. "A general who previously served in Kosovo said things are happening in Iraq after three months that didn't happen after 12 months in Kosovo."
"There is another Iraq the media virtually ignore," wrote Marine Lance Cpl. John Guardino. "It has been a model of success. The streets are safe, petty and violent crime are low, water and electrical services are almost universally available, and ordinary Iraqis are beginning to clean up and rebuild their neighborhoods.... A deep level of mutual trust and respect has developed between the Marines and the populace here in central and southern Iraq."
The bombing of the U.N. complex and the earlier bombing of the Jordanian Embassy actually are indications the United States is succeeding in Iraq.
The original strategy of the terrorists was what might be called the Mogadishu strategy. Kill a few Americans, and they will leave, as they did in Somalia in 1993.
The terrorists killed a few Americans, and we didn't leave. And the terrorists discovered a downside to attacking Americans. Americans shoot back.

I say:

All this handwringing over postwar Iraq doesn't square with either facts or logic. Could it just be... wishful thinking?

By the way, the Mogadishu strategy certainly did work... once. When Clinton was in charge. At least Clinton did better with Kosovo. [link|http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Kosovo/articles/WP-Krauthammer.html|Not as well as his supporters pretend], but better. He had to, in order to detract from that Monica scandal. What's great about this president is you don't have to blow him to get him to do something about that mess out there.

Note: this doesn't make Dubya a great president. It merely makes him an adequate one, as far as foreign policy is concerned. He meets the minimum requirements, that's all. But that in itself is a huge improvement over his predecessor. He's not as good as either of the Roosevelts, or even Reagan, but he's way better than Clinton. And that's enough for now.

What the terrorists and their friends need to grasp is that the Clinton era is over. It was a historical aberration, a lamentable period of weakness and self-indulgence after we (pre-Clinton) won that nasty Cold War and reaped the economic boom that came with that. Well, we had a hell of a hangover in early 2000 when the economic bill came due. Then these bastards attacked us - again - when we looked weak and wobbly. They didn't grasp that a new sort of man was in charge now, that a different, stronger side of the American character was becoming dominant. Now they're paying, and they're not gonna get off cheap this time.

Never confuse Clintonism with America.
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DEAL WITH IT.
It's time for the US to infringe on the sovereignty of Liberia!
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New Right
Marine Lance Cpl. John Guardino is now the official spokesman for the Marine Corp. Hey, Drew. Every hear of anyone under field grade authorized to speak for the Corp? Not in the Army. Any other services represented?

Sounds like a "feel good" letter home to mommy.

Eveidently Marlowe doesn't read any conflicting news reports. Daylight armed robberys. Shoot outs in plain view. Reads/sounds like the Old West stories I grew up reading...
New The modern Revisionist rides AGAIN!

The bombing of the U.N. complex and the earlier bombing of the Jordanian Embassy actually are indications the United States is succeeding in Iraq.

The original strategy of the terrorists was what might be called the Mogadishu strategy. Kill a few Americans, and they will leave, as they did in Somalia in 1993.

The terrorists killed a few Americans, and we didn't leave. And the terrorists discovered a downside to attacking Americans. Americans shoot back.
[link|http://washtimes.com/commentary/20030826-092629-5614r.htm| Jack Kelly ]

But...isn't that an indicator that our plan ISN'T working? No, not the "lets rebuild Iraq and the Iraq people want to trust us and hug us and love us forever BS. That BS is easy to dispell with the simple fact that we AREN'T giving Iraq any democracy - they don't get to decide and we're now hiring their thugs to keep them in line. No one knows what they'll do the minute they get to decide for themselves.

No, the plan that isn't working is Bush's "Wallpaper" plan.


What the media, and U.S. Democrats affect not to grasp, is that the soldiers are now replacing targets that otherwise would be provided by defenceless civilians, both in Iraq and at large. The sore thumb of the U.S. occupation -- and it is a sore thumb equally to Baathists and Islamists, compelling their response -- is not a mistake. It is carefully hung flypaper.
[link|http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/Comment/Jul03/index150.shtml| David Warren ]

Hmm...maybe we need better bait?
New Disagree on one point:
No one knows what they'll do the minute they get to decide for themselves.

I disagree. The US "leadership" knows exactly what the Iraqis will do when they get to decide for themselves. The will create a Muslim state, hosted exclusively by the sect that is the majority (Sunnis, IIRC). This Mohammadian Paradise will: 1) "ethnically cleanse" the members of the other sect, and the Kurds, and 2) be every bit as hostile to their "liberators" as is every other Muslim oligarchy that populates that hellhole of a region.

(And its that second thing that's bad for bizniss in These Here You-nighted States!)
jb4
Boy I'd like to see those words on a PR banner behind [Treasury Secretary John] Snow at the podium:
Jobs and Growth: Just Wait.

John J. Andrew, unemployed programmer; see jobforjohn.com
New A-la the major explosion today at a Mosque in Iraq?
New Shiite are the majority
New Feigned impatience on your part is not failure on another's.
This is going about as well as Germany after Hitler was defeated, and that ain't bad. It's going way better than Mogadishu - or way worse, depending on which side you're on.

Say, which side is that?
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DEAL WITH IT.
It's time for the US to infringe on the sovereignty of Liberia!
Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas?
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
New You're with us or you're against us, eh?
Failure on anothers part is failures on another part, regardless of impatience: feigned or otherwise.




Me, I'm on the side of Americans. I hate to see Americans killed, for any reason, and I take no delight when one dies.

Alas, we have those in our country that seem to delight when Americans are killed. They cheer when American are killed: for duty, for honor, for a cause.

Certainly there are causes that are just. Causes worth championing.

But while I honor the cause; I take no delight in the death of Americans fighting thoses causes.

Some people do; some of them even proudly proclaim themselves to be patriots.

What side are you on Marlowe?
Expand Edited by Simon_Jester Aug. 29, 2003, 03:56:48 PM EDT
New Yeah, I'm really impressed.
NOT. [link|http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/08/28/babies/|Baghdad's shame].
Babies are dying in Baghdad hospitals every day because medicine and medical supplies, lying in abundance in government warehouses only miles away, are not getting where they are needed.
Perhaps a George W. Bush Memorial Park would be a place to collect and bury these dead children.
Alex

"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
     Kelly keeps score: Iraq vs Kosovo - (marlowe) - (8)
         Right - (jbrabeck)
         The modern Revisionist rides AGAIN! - (Simon_Jester) - (5)
             Disagree on one point: - (jb4) - (2)
                 A-la the major explosion today at a Mosque in Iraq? -NT - (Simon_Jester)
                 Shiite are the majority -NT - (scoenye)
             Feigned impatience on your part is not failure on another's. - (marlowe) - (1)
                 You're with us or you're against us, eh? - (Simon_Jester)
         Yeah, I'm really impressed. - (a6l6e6x)

That'll be $8.50, Mac.
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