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Substantively different in kind
Post #115,379
by
admin
8/25/03 11:33:01 PM
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Substantively different in kind
Not in magnitude.
The teacher is acting in an official capacity.
The religious group is meeting on their own time without official involvement.
So yes, differences abound in this comparison, whether you care to see them or not.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer required in schools
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orion
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- (138)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 09:46:32 AM EDT
Pledge of Allegiance no longer required?
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rcareaga
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- (3)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 09:58:54 AM EDT
Evidence
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orion
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- (2)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 02:58:50 PM EDT
Re: Evidence
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rcareaga
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- (1)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 04:47:57 PM EDT
Is this the news forum?
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orion
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- Aug. 20, 2003, 05:14:01 PM EDT
Separation of Church and State.
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pwhysall
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- (128)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 10:08:57 AM EDT
It is not "separation"...
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bepatient
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- (127)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 01:11:42 PM EDT
I'll beg to differ.
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inthane-chan
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- (24)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 03:30:58 PM EDT
Beg all you like.
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bepatient
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- (23)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 03:58:10 PM EDT
That's not the point.
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inthane-chan
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- (19)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 04:07:47 PM EDT
No I got it.
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bepatient
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- Aug. 20, 2003, 04:14:53 PM EDT
However, banning is exactly what is happening
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bluke
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- (17)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 04:25:40 AM EDT
Re: However, banning is exactly what is happening
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JayMehaffey
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- (16)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:44:00 PM EDT
well stated
-NT
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deSitter
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:45:14 PM EDT
Disagree completely.
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Steve Lowe
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- (12)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:58:42 PM EDT
Correct...
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bepatient
)
- (6)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 01:11:50 PM EDT
Threat to long-term survival.
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Ashton
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- (5)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 03:51:03 PM EDT
So who decides on what proper 'indoctrination' is?
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Steve Lowe
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- (1)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 04:28:19 PM EDT
Re: So who decides on what proper 'indoctrination' is?
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Ashton
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 01:29:29 AM EDT
Dear me...
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bepatient
)
- (2)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 08:02:30 AM EDT
An anticipated Bowdlerization. Let me Econ- it for ya:
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Ashton
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- (1)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 06:41:38 PM EDT
Not necessary...
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bepatient
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 07:45:03 PM EDT
Doesn't have to be a specific religion
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JayMehaffey
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- (4)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 02:14:50 PM EDT
the constitution states ...
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bluke
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- (3)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 04:55:27 PM EDT
Well, up here
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jake123
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 06:12:07 PM EDT
Thats the common translation now bluke...
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bepatient
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- (1)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 08:10:37 AM EDT
I agree with that wording
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Ashton
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 07:36:27 PM EDT
Not true
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bluke
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- (1)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 04:52:14 PM EDT
I'm pretty much with you on that
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jake123
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 06:14:48 PM EDT
Folie \ufffd deux.. folie \ufffd millon - Again!?
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Ashton
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- (2)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 06:35:37 PM EDT
Re: Folie \ufffd deux.. folie \ufffd millon - Again!?
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bepatient
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- (1)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 08:20:23 AM EDT
In context of peer (and teacher) pressure and required
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Ashton
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:51:45 AM EDT
Operative word
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Silverlock
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- (98)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 03:45:58 PM EDT
Agreed
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bepatient
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- (97)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 04:07:37 PM EDT
Nit picking
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Silverlock
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- (95)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 04:15:50 PM EDT
No I didn't miss it.
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bepatient
)
- (94)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 04:28:27 PM EDT
(Op iff p)
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FuManChu
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- Aug. 20, 2003, 05:25:30 PM EDT
I don't think I could disagree more
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Silverlock
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- (92)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 10:40:25 AM EDT
Well we will disagree entirely here.
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bepatient
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- (35)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 10:51:43 AM EDT
No it isn't.
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pwhysall
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- (34)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:17:23 AM EDT
No that not what he said.
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bepatient
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- (33)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:28:33 AM EDT
Re: No that not what he said.
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pwhysall
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- (25)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:31:13 AM EDT
Its not...
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bepatient
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- (24)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:49:23 AM EDT
Re: Its not...
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pwhysall
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- (22)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:59:25 AM EDT
Now we see...
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bepatient
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- (9)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:29:45 PM EDT
Say it ain't so.
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pwhysall
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- (8)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 04:53:30 PM EDT
Nazis killed people
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bluke
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- (3)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:03:39 PM EDT
Got link?
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Silverlock
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- (2)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:54:54 PM EDT
OT: while looking for link, found this:
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Arkadiy
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- (1)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 10:13:39 AM EDT
I don't quite grok his comment,
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Ashton
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 07:04:37 PM EDT
I want the tax dollars...
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bepatient
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- (3)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 08:15:30 AM EDT
I find it ironic...
- (
admin
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- (2)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 09:36:28 AM EDT
Aye Cap'n...there's the rub.
-NT
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bepatient
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 09:44:10 AM EDT
That is ever the danger of the uninformed literal mind.
-NT
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Ashton
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 07:29:47 PM EDT
You are being misdirected
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mhuber
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- (11)
- Aug. 24, 2003, 02:36:17 AM EDT
At Last:___The CRUX of the matter!
-NT
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Ashton
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- Aug. 25, 2003, 04:34:00 PM EDT
You didn't know my chess coach. ;)
-NT
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inthane-chan
)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 07:08:47 PM EDT
Exactly
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Silverlock
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- (8)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 11:07:35 PM EDT
Oh no, you don't.
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admin
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- (4)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 11:11:26 PM EDT
Try this word
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Silverlock
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- (3)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 11:13:35 PM EDT
Try this one:
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admin
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- (2)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 11:16:14 PM EDT
Response noted
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Silverlock
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- (1)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 11:27:30 PM EDT
Substantively different in kind
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admin
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- Aug. 25, 2003, 11:33:01 PM EDT
Oy shift this crap into politics
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boxley
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- (2)
- Aug. 26, 2003, 09:26:49 PM EDT
That would be unconstitutional ;-)
-NT
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bepatient
)
- (1)
- Aug. 27, 2003, 06:56:57 AM EDT
Spoken like a Strict deConstructionist. . .
-NT
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Ashton
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- Aug. 27, 2003, 03:49:24 PM EDT
It is not the function of government at all.
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Ashton
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:13:12 PM EDT
Get it straight
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Silverlock
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- (5)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:58:15 AM EDT
You've entirely missed the point of church-state separation
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deSitter
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- (4)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:11:02 PM EDT
Re: You've entirely missed the point of church-state separat
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Ashton
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:27:52 PM EDT
Quibble about liberalism
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jake123
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 06:28:33 PM EDT
yes
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deSitter
)
- (1)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 07:13:48 PM EDT
A great Stine cartoon has graced my reefer for ages
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Ashton
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 01:47:11 AM EDT
Good News Club v Milford Central Schools (1998)
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Another Scott
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:59:39 AM EDT
Can "Anti-Creationism Alliance" meet in the school gym?
-NT
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Arkadiy
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- (40)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:28:29 AM EDT
Why not.
-NT
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bepatient
)
- (1)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 11:28:56 AM EDT
I know your answer
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Arkadiy
)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:16:18 PM EDT
It already does
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Silverlock
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- (6)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:20:15 PM EDT
So, it's OK to advance the cause of Atheism on Govt property
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Arkadiy
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- (5)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 01:35:14 PM EDT
Not my point at all
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Silverlock
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- (3)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 01:49:56 PM EDT
Sorry.
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Arkadiy
)
- (2)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 02:03:29 PM EDT
Which question?
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Silverlock
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- (1)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 03:02:19 PM EDT
Both, please?
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Arkadiy
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 10:05:34 AM EDT
Umm we've had the 'A-theism' discussion several times
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Ashton
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 01:55:21 AM EDT
Here's where I stand.
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inthane-chan
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- (30)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 12:42:44 PM EDT
Only the very best representatives
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Arkadiy
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 01:37:48 PM EDT
Britney Spears.
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pwhysall
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 04:58:10 PM EDT
Science is religion
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jake123
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 06:35:39 PM EDT
Where I disagree with you
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Silverlock
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- (26)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 09:52:23 PM EDT
Discrimination
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bluke
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- (24)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 03:35:10 AM EDT
you answer your own question
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Silverlock
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- (23)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 11:54:00 AM EDT
Perversion of the Constitution.
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admin
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- (22)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 12:12:36 PM EDT
See my response to Beep
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Silverlock
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- (21)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 12:35:21 PM EDT
Which part of it?
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admin
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- (20)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 12:47:25 PM EDT
I don't agree
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Silverlock
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- (19)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 12:58:11 PM EDT
And its discriminatory.
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bepatient
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- Aug. 22, 2003, 01:04:15 PM EDT
Don't see how you can call that logical.
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admin
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- (15)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 01:28:16 PM EDT
Argument from authority
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Silverlock
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- (14)
- Aug. 24, 2003, 09:18:29 AM EDT
Wrong. Lame attempt at misdirection.
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admin
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- (13)
- Aug. 24, 2003, 09:37:20 AM EDT
The law is in regards to faith.
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Silverlock
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- (12)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 10:26:49 AM EDT
Doesn't matter what the law is about.
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admin
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- (11)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 10:48:16 AM EDT
Ok
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Silverlock
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- (10)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 11:58:23 AM EDT
Heh heh...
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bepatient
)
- (1)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 12:07:51 PM EDT
Braap
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Silverlock
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- Aug. 25, 2003, 12:11:57 PM EDT
...
- (
admin
)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 12:11:49 PM EDT
I agree with your point, Don.
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a6l6e6x
)
- (6)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 12:47:07 PM EDT
Er... *legal* groups.
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admin
)
- (3)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 01:16:21 PM EDT
But ritual animal sacrifice is perfectly legal.
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a6l6e6x
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- (2)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 02:34:16 PM EDT
Cool...
- (
bepatient
)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 02:38:18 PM EDT
Goes in same category as the rest of the legal groups then.
-NT
- (
admin
)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 02:47:07 PM EDT
And I know those...
- (
bepatient
)
- (1)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 01:25:47 PM EDT
OK for just now: perhaps made illegal____just after WW-III?
-NT
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Ashton
)
- Aug. 25, 2003, 04:00:14 PM EDT
Um, no . Current case law says the opposite
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mhuber
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- (1)
- Aug. 24, 2003, 02:44:21 AM EDT
Good, that's how it should be.
-NT
- (
admin
)
- Aug. 24, 2003, 09:37:58 AM EDT
It seems to have come to 'about that', no?
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Ashton
)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 03:44:23 AM EDT
Some serious disagreement
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jake123
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- (14)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 06:25:54 PM EDT
No
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Silverlock
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- (13)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 10:09:41 PM EDT
That is very nice
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bluke
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- (12)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 12:26:33 AM EDT
Its outright prejudicial..
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bepatient
)
- (11)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 08:18:10 AM EDT
You actually believe that?
- (
Silverlock
)
- (10)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 12:29:33 PM EDT
Admin stated the views adequately above.
-NT
- (
bepatient
)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 12:58:19 PM EDT
Amtrack is federally subsidized
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Arkadiy
)
- (3)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 12:59:28 PM EDT
He wants his money back ;-)
-NT
- (
bepatient
)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 01:04:57 PM EDT
Silly, but it does raise an interesting point..
- (
hnick
)
- (1)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 01:21:59 PM EDT
Exactly. The motivation should be moot.
- (
admin
)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 01:30:36 PM EDT
Riding in the back of the bus
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jake123
)
- (4)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 02:35:20 PM EDT
Where do you draw the line?
- (
Silverlock
)
- (3)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 04:28:32 PM EDT
Re: Where do you draw the line?
- (
admin
)
- (2)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 05:10:33 PM EDT
Was that a surrender or a .. Gah !?__:-\ufffd
-NT
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Ashton
)
- (1)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 07:48:04 PM EDT
It was an attempt at illogic
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admin
)
- Aug. 22, 2003, 09:55:43 PM EDT
Declared unconstitutional?
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mhuber
)
- Aug. 24, 2003, 02:23:07 AM EDT
No free exercise is being touched here
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JayMehaffey
)
- (2)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 08:21:54 PM EDT
Thats not at issue...
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bepatient
)
- (1)
- Aug. 21, 2003, 08:22:01 AM EDT
Good.
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pwhysall
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- Aug. 21, 2003, 08:30:24 AM EDT
2 different issues
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JayMehaffey
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- (3)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 02:39:45 PM EDT
Must disagree with the "remedy". Again.
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Ashton
)
- (2)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 07:03:52 PM EDT
In theory yes
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JayMehaffey
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- (1)
- Aug. 20, 2003, 08:04:57 PM EDT
Then others' childhood experience was quite different from
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Ashton
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- Aug. 20, 2003, 09:22:47 PM EDT
Even in Indiana - it is not required.
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mmoffitt
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- Aug. 27, 2003, 05:24:18 PM EDT
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