I have not personally lost a family member yet

Post #11,529 by boxley 10/3/01 3:03:20 PM Reply	I have not personally lost a family member yet G_d forbid they dont get hurt because the Haj in Mecca and a Jumbo Jet full of fuel me screaming on the radio yippee ki yeah motherfuckers!!! corkscrewing into the crowd at 450 knots+. The terrs are deliberately targeting our institutions and wrongly link the pentagon and the trade center to our religion of material wealth. I dont dislike their faith, I am just pointing out that this could be a 2 way street very quickly. So I hope that the regular Muslims hear this and understand that there isnt much in the way of stopping massive civilian retaliation attacks. thanx, bill why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them? Randy Wayne White
Post #11,543 by JayMehaffey 10/3/01 3:56:39 PM Reply	Worst possible course of action I fully understand where that sentement comes from, but it's the worst possible course of action. Think about it for a moment, your going to go over to a culture built on macho and multi-generation revenge wars, and give all of them a reason to kill us at any cost? If somebody would actually do that I think things would quickly degerate to the point that genocide is the only solution. It would litterally be us or them, a multi-generation ground war that wouldn't end till every Muslim in the world was dead or the US and Europe where converted to the Muslim faith. Jay
Post #11,546 by boxley 10/3/01 4:05:55 PM Reply	that was my point, MAD2 they need to understand that their icons, beliefs are just as vunerable as ours when it comes to this shit so they should protect themselves by cutting the head off of this particular snake. If we feel that they are protecting these clowns a chance that the Aryan Brotherhood or someone like them may turn their gimlet eye on Mecca et al. thanx, bill why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them? Randy Wayne White
Post #11,646 by JayMehaffey 10/3/01 9:50:37 PM Reply	Won't work It's a nice idea, but it won't work. The reason MAD worked in the first place is that it only depends on a handful of top political leaders acting in a self interested manner. That is one of the bedrocks of human nature, we can depend on that. With the terrorists there are too many people the power to pull the trigger, and worse yet, they are usually religiously motivated not motivated by normal self interest. The religious fanatics are liable to want to trigger larger and larger reprisals, exactly to start war. That's ignoring the problem of targeting, To attack Mecca would be to punish all Muslims for the acts of a few. Jay
Post #11,671 by boxley 10/3/01 11:29:57 PM Reply	whats yer point? If I losed a family member I reserve all rights to act unilaterally to kill whoever I wish to extract my personal vision of justice. Are you suggesting that I be arrested and jailed for contemplative acts not carried out inside the borders of the United States? If I commit no crimes against the law here, and go to another country, perpetrate whatever acts I wish, how can you stop me when those folks can come here and act out at will? We have the largest mall in Florida opening Saturday 1/4 mile from my house. My girl is working there, my kids want to go there will be an estimated 10k capacity and if something happens? What is left of my family goes home, I go to doing what I used to do and a mountain load of evens goes out. Muslims are not the only ones that have the will to kill. Since that will not be directed by a government agency how can those governments like the taliban object? thanx, the above is conjecture etc. etc. etc. :) bill What is a user? You mean userid isnt the same as uid?, gid? whats that? I dont understand "ask the requestor to send a non formal email request for ftp access? whaddya mean dean? Halp Iam drowning in Bovine Fecal Matter!!!! Bill
Post #11,553 by marlowe 10/3/01 4:31:05 PM Reply	We must not sink to their level. We do not target noncombatants. That's an important part of what makes us better than them. And the fact that we are better than them is the reason we deserve to win. It may well be that there are precious few real noncombatants. Evidence suggests that the people are fanatical, like the Japanese were. But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. At the very least we should repeatedly solicit, and be prepared to accept, the unconditional surrender of the general populace. Only the actual killers and their superiors need be exterminated. And this surrender must be unconditional, because of what must be done to their culture immediately afterward. When there was something to discuss, they chose mass murder. Now there is nothing to discuss. Oh, and, destroy those poppy fields. Plow them under and plant food crops. These asshole peasants can't feed themselves but they can grow this crap? We should emulate the enemy in their strengths: their determination, their willingness to sacrifice, their unity, their organization and their sense of purpose. But do not emulate that which makes them evil. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #11,563 by inthane-chan 10/3/01 4:49:38 PM Reply	How do you reconcile that with... ...your buddy who thinks that the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim? "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #11,591 by marlowe 10/3/01 6:42:46 PM Reply	In practise it may amount to the same thing. Or not. I am prepared for both eventualities. Are you? And are you even trying to be fair to either position? [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Post #11,619 by inthane-chan 10/3/01 8:01:25 PM Reply	If it does come to that... I would take that step. I would feel like shit, and probably totally lose my faith in the ability of the human race to fix its problems (hell, I'm halfway there already...) but you don't see me calling for Theocide from the starting line. Your "friend" has forgotten something. This is not a religious war - this is a power struggle, that has taken on religious trappings. If we go after the whole religion, turn against all Muslims, then Bin Laden achieves his goals, in uniting the entire Muslim world against the "West," such as it is. Translation: We just made a shitload more enemies. And if you've been reading what I wrote, it's not about taking out all the Muslims, it's about taking out WHATEVER group happens to take actions against civilians, and not choosing the lesser of two evils, even if it costs us in the short run. This "He's more of a monster than you are, so I'll back you" bullshit is what gets us into this - and unless we do some MAJOR fucking housecleaning, our own house is going to fall in on our heads. Maybe not this time, but the next Bin Laden wannabe, whether he be Moonie, Sikh, or Christian, he'll figure out some way to make 9/11/2001 look like a firecracker. All you're doing is making it so that monsters like him can rise up again. The lenerean hydra kept coming back because every time you cut off a head, two grew back. But if you burn that thing, EVEN IF IT BURNS YOU, it won't be coming back. Considering that this hydra has roots in us, we need to burn ourselves as well as Bin Laden. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #11,747 by CRConrad 10/4/01 11:23:19 AM Reply	"Wrongly"? I think they got that "link" all right, at least. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything

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