Post #115,254
8/25/03 1:52:22 AM
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New article on Worms.
I know my SCO article badly needs updating and a rewrite, but I decided to do [link|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit033.html|Windows Worms] first, while they're hot. It was supposed to be real short, but it was so easy to write it stretched out a bit.
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Post #115,257
8/25/03 3:04:36 AM
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Well done!
-drl
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Post #115,258
8/25/03 3:31:47 AM
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A few minor nits
The link [link|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html/#patch|patching problems] doesn't work, 404 File not found
You write
Wouldn't Any Other System be as Vulnerable?
No - that's Microsoft's official line
I think the "No" should be a "Yes", Microsoft's official line is that other operating systems are just as vulnerable.
All in all a very enjoyable article.
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Post #115,272
8/25/03 9:28:02 AM
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Got 'em, thanks
Interesting that the problem with the links was not a problem when tested locally. Not sure why that would be.
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Post #115,361
8/25/03 9:24:43 PM
8/25/03 9:25:35 PM
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Got it for you...
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html/#patch|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html/#patch]
should be
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html#patch|http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html#patch]
Hope that helps.
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Edited by folkert
Aug. 25, 2003, 09:25:35 PM EDT
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Post #115,369
8/25/03 10:49:14 PM
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Thanks, but refresh your cache . .
. . those were fixed early this morning.
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Post #115,420
8/26/03 11:17:36 AM
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DOH...
You mean Squid cache right?
I don't use any cache locally.
Sorry... thought I got one...
Oh well.
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Post #115,263
8/25/03 7:14:12 AM
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Thank! Saves me the effort...
I think it's important to note that this is the third time this year, and second in a week, in which inherent architectural weaknesses in the Microsoft Windows operating system and applications infrastructure have brought the Internet to its knees, generating international headlines. I listen to the BBC and monitor news in a number of countries. This is not just US stuff. \r\n\r\n It's worth pointing out that Microsoft's solution to securing its Microsoft-OS supported Windows Update website was bog-standard. \r\n\r\n They unplugged it. \r\n\r\n It's nice to know we now have a Microsoft SOP for securing a Microsoft website. \r\n\r\n Problems with patching. You enumerate several. I'll list some more. \r\n\r\n \r\n- Most significantly: it doesn't work. In the case of Slammer, one [link|http://www.robertgraham.com/journal/030126-sqlslammer.html|excellent analysis] by Robert Graham notes that even 100% patch compliance of MS SQL Server boxes wouldn't have been sufficient -- because the vulnerability largely affected dekstop, not server systems (he also dryly notes that virtually everything you read about Slammer is wrong). For a given office or datacenter, a single infected host would effectively take down the entire network. Patch compliance of 100% is not economically or practically possible. Patching security holes is a misguided security solution. Systems must be secure by design, networks must minimize exposed services, and both development and usage patterns must emphasize security. This means not opening ports, and opening them only to local traffic when they are opened.
\r\n\r\n- Microsoft builds monolithic systems. "Integrated" is a codeword for "no choice" and "deeply entwined". Systems aren't modular, they are complex, and patches are likely to break things.
\r\n\r\n- Microsoft security updates are themselves monolithic. Rather than applying a specific fix to a specific problem, updates address a large list of ills, many of them of no particular use to a specific service or Internet application.
\r\n\r\n- MS Outlook and MS Exchange are two application monocultures with exceptionally poor security records. They're also at the heart of the MS end-user platform "stack", near-impossible to remove, particularly in corporate environments. Though there are those who live quite happily without them. I'll second your recommendation of Mozilla.
\r\n\r\n- It's not possible to back out updates. Applying them is a leap of faith in Microsoft.
\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n There's probably more, but I'm running out of neurons. \r\n\r\n Under the "how to protect yourself" section, you don't advocate an OS switch, though this is implied from the overall tenor of the article. Any reason why not? \r\n\r\n I'm also curious about your comment on OS/2 and worms. I though MS Windows code can run on OS/2. Or can't it?
--\r\n Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
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Post #115,277
8/25/03 10:20:13 AM
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OS/2 runs Win 3.x code
the other plus is not using Outlook.
Darrell Spice, Jr. [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
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Post #115,291
8/25/03 11:43:40 AM
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Change of OS . .
In the small business environment I work in, outright recommending changing the operating system just detracts from the message. Nobody's going to do it unless they suffer a major disaster, as Ernie Ball did. There are more or less valid reasons for this attitude. - It's going to me a one time expense which is harder to take than the steady bleeding with Windows
- The bleeding isn't that bad yet, because licensing and upgrade enforcement hasn't taken effect yet. My clients are split between Office 97 and Office 2000 with no intentions to upgrade. Very few have any XP except on a few new notebooks. Worms have just started to become a significant expense - not yet fully digested.
- It's seen as high risk. Spend the money and it doesn't work and you have to go back to Windows anyway - more expense.
- Resistance from employees is extreme. Irrational, but extreme. Just suggesting an alternative to Outlook sends the sales/marketing people on the warpath, and they have tremendous influence. Owners just don't want the internal strife.
- Linux isn't ready because critical specialty applications aren't available yet. Does Linux have an equivalent of Act! or Maximizer? Not that I've seen.
Most small businss people consider computers a regretably necessary pain in the ass anyway, and want to spend as little time thinking about them as possible. Linux must enter the small business market in a low profile way. I've successfully deployed a number of Linux servers, and resistance from software vendors and consultants seems to be declining. Beyond that, it's going to have to come in as a task specific item. Right now, I think it's more important to move small business people to OpenOffice and Mozilla, so when the disaster does come, or licensing costs become unbearable, the transition will be a lot easier. If it does come, I've made my case and my clients know where to turn and who not to blame. As for OS/2, it only runs DOS/Win3.1 software - and with some restrictions. DOS worms are pretty few and far between right now, and the last DOS boot sector infector I've seen was at least 4 years ago. Thanks for your comments on patching. I'm going to incorporate at least the one on patches being impossible to back out.
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Post #115,308
8/25/03 1:12:27 PM
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Smart thinking
Windows with Open Office and Mozilla will train the users to use this software and when the change does happen they will know how to operate Open Office and Mozilla under Liuux. The price is right, virtually nothing, to use those software titles, just be sure to have them donate something to Mozilla.
What OO needs is an Outlook and Access clone, or work-a-like. I suppose Evolution can handle Outlook's function under Linux, but Access is hard to match with its ease of use database. When I had a small business, we developed a lot of databases in Access, so our old clients would have to have those databases and apps based on them converted to something else.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #115,357
8/25/03 9:03:57 PM
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Re: Change of OS . .
ObLRPD: Considering that all you're risking is the $15 co-payment, there's no harm in giving him a shot at it. \r\n\r\n I understand and largely share your thinking on migrations. Fell-swoop is hard to go. \r\n\r\n I'd attack the gradualism premise on two fronts: \r\n\r\n \r\n- Replace MSFT server apps with corresponding free software alternatives. For calendaring, take a look at [link|http://otn.oracle.com/products/cs/content.html|Oracle's Collaboration Suite]. It's web and server based, with very aggressive pricing, and some pretty strong recommendations. See also the TWIT [link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/ApplicationsCalendaring|Calendaring page].
\r\n\r\n- Desktop apps. Sounds like you're doing this: OpenOffice, Mozilla, and the GIMP are first-run options. There's the [link|http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/index.html|GNUWin II] free software apps for Windows disk, which is decent, though something of a mixed bag. Still, transitioning to portable apps, then porting OS, makes the transition smoother.
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--\r\n Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n [link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n [link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n \r\n Keep software free. Oppose the CBDTPA. Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
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Post #115,275
8/25/03 10:09:30 AM
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interesting comment in this article on the update problem
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34978-2003Aug23.html|Microsoft Windows: Insecure by Design] Part of this is users' fault. "Critical updates" are called that for a reason, and it's foolish to ignore them ... Microsoft, however, must share blame, too. Windows XP's pop-up invitations to use Windows Update must compete for attention with all of XP's other, less important nags -- get a Passport account, take a tour of XP, hide unused desktop icons, blah, blah, blah. I also really like the opening paragraph Between the Blaster worm and the Sobig virus, it's been a long two weeks for Windows users. But nobody with a Mac or a Linux PC has had to lose a moment of sleep over these outbreaks -- just like in earlier "malware" epidemics.
Darrell Spice, Jr. [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
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Post #115,276
8/25/03 10:13:50 AM
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Sentient LRPD...
Users will choose dancing pigs just about every time. Wade.
Is it enough to love Is it enough to breathe Somebody rip my heart out And leave me here to bleed
| | Is it enough to die Somebody save my life I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary Please
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Post #115,290
8/25/03 11:40:47 AM
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Ya beat me with that excellent link! :)
Alex
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
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Post #115,292
8/25/03 11:47:17 AM
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Another problem
Using something [link|http://www.lurhq.com/winupdate.html|inherently insecure] to secure your machine is...um...troubling to say the least.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #115,295
8/25/03 11:53:09 AM
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Well, that's always an issue.
That's a social engineering hack, not a system hack. If I could send you an e-mail pointing you to dl a .rpm from [link|http://www.red-hat.com|http://www.red-hat.com] (picked out of my ass - that could very well be a valid site), I could very well 0wnZ0r j00.
Now, about the bugs in IE, well, that's another story altogether.
Do I have to tell a story, of a thousand rainy days since we first met. It's a big enough umbrella, but it's always me that ends up getting wet...
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Post #115,281
8/25/03 10:43:40 AM
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One typo
In your glossary, under Trojan: "Aside from allowing access to you data ..." should be your.
Content-wise I like it. Unless you changed it after Karsten's comments, I disagree about explicitly recommending an OS change. I like how you point out that by now they must know how to avoid all the problems, and if they haven't done it yet they obviously like that brand of pain.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
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Post #115,282
8/25/03 10:44:01 AM
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ObSentientLRPD
Wow. I am just. Wow. Un-. Wow. You'd think...Nah. Wow. Now that we've got that out of the way... A couple of apps I'd add to the list: [link|http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php|GRISoft's AVG Antivirus]. Free AV software for home use, with free updates. [link|http://www.safer-networking.org/|Spybot Search 'n Destroy]. IMO better than AdAware. Also, your link for LavaSoft is incorrect - the proper link is [link|http://www.lavasoftusa.com/|http://www.lavasoftusa.com]. Have a nice diurnal anomaly!
In that final hour, when each breath is a struggle to take, and you are looking back over your life's accomplishments, which memories would you treasure? The empires you built, or the joy you spread to others?
Therin lies the true measure of a man.
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Post #115,294
8/25/03 11:51:34 AM
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Thanks. I'll get those and a few other products . .
. . included. I just didn't have time to do the research. Writing the article is fast and easy - coming up with and checking links and references takes most of the time.
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Post #115,287
8/25/03 11:20:40 AM
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ObLRPD: Thank you for making a simple LRPD very happy.
Nice work, passed the URL around to my local 'doze fanatics.
----- Steve
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Post #115,301
8/25/03 12:14:07 PM
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One more link to fold in is...
[link|http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6767|Slammer worm crashed Ohio nuke plant network]. The Slammer worm penetrated a private computer network at Ohio's Davis-Besse nuclear power plant in January and disabled a safety monitoring system for nearly five hours, despite a belief by plant personnel that the network was protected by a firewall, SecurityFocus has learned.
The breach did not post a safety hazard. The troubled plant had been offline since February, 2002, when workers discovered a 6-by-5-inch hole in the plant's reactor head. Moreover, the monitoring system, called a Safety Parameter Display System, had a redundant analog backup that was unaffected by the worm. But at least one expert says the case illustrates a growing cybersecurity problem in the nuclear power industry, where interconnection between plant and corporate networks is becoming more common, and is permitted by federal safety regulations. Serious business here.
Alex
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
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Post #115,320
8/25/03 4:15:39 PM
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... so they must be faking the IIS response.
Not exactly:
[link|http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/17/wwwmicrosoftcom_runs_linux_up_to_a_point_.html|http://news.netcraft..._to_a_point_.html]
"Akamai also forwards the http Server: header from the original server as part of the cached content, and so we report \ufffdMicrosoft-IIS/6.0\ufffd as the web server."
-- Chris Altmann
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Post #115,362
8/25/03 9:26:16 PM
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Freudian slip?
>Microsoft itself was fully penetrated through a manger's home computer because Manger -> Manager
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Post #115,370
8/25/03 11:02:57 PM
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Dumb spell checker . .
. . should have known that's wasn't the correctly spelled word I intended to use.
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