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New Thank! Saves me the effort...

I think it's important to note that this is the third time this year, and second in a week, in which inherent architectural weaknesses in the Microsoft Windows operating system and applications infrastructure have brought the Internet to its knees, generating international headlines. I listen to the BBC and monitor news in a number of countries. This is not just US stuff.

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It's worth pointing out that Microsoft's solution to securing its Microsoft-OS supported Windows Update website was bog-standard.

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They unplugged it.

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It's nice to know we now have a Microsoft SOP for securing a Microsoft website.

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Problems with patching. You enumerate several. I'll list some more.

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  • Most significantly: it doesn't work. In the case of Slammer, one [link|http://www.robertgraham.com/journal/030126-sqlslammer.html|excellent analysis] by Robert Graham notes that even 100% patch compliance of MS SQL Server boxes wouldn't have been sufficient -- because the vulnerability largely affected dekstop, not server systems (he also dryly notes that virtually everything you read about Slammer is wrong). For a given office or datacenter, a single infected host would effectively take down the entire network. Patch compliance of 100% is not economically or practically possible. Patching security holes is a misguided security solution. Systems must be secure by design, networks must minimize exposed services, and both development and usage patterns must emphasize security. This means not opening ports, and opening them only to local traffic when they are opened.
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  • Microsoft builds monolithic systems. "Integrated" is a codeword for "no choice" and "deeply entwined". Systems aren't modular, they are complex, and patches are likely to break things.
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  • Microsoft security updates are themselves monolithic. Rather than applying a specific fix to a specific problem, updates address a large list of ills, many of them of no particular use to a specific service or Internet application.
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  • MS Outlook and MS Exchange are two application monocultures with exceptionally poor security records. They're also at the heart of the MS end-user platform "stack", near-impossible to remove, particularly in corporate environments. Though there are those who live quite happily without them. I'll second your recommendation of Mozilla.
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  • It's not possible to back out updates. Applying them is a leap of faith in Microsoft.
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There's probably more, but I'm running out of neurons.

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Under the "how to protect yourself" section, you don't advocate an OS switch, though this is implied from the overall tenor of the article. Any reason why not?

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I'm also curious about your comment on OS/2 and worms. I though MS Windows code can run on OS/2. Or can't it?

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New OS/2 runs Win 3.x code
the other plus is not using Outlook.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://www.spiceware.org/cgi-bin/spa.pl?album=./Artistic%20Overpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New Change of OS . .
In the small business environment I work in, outright recommending changing the operating system just detracts from the message. Nobody's going to do it unless they suffer a major disaster, as Ernie Ball did.

There are more or less valid reasons for this attitude.
  • It's going to me a one time expense which is harder to take than the steady bleeding with Windows

  • The bleeding isn't that bad yet, because licensing and upgrade enforcement hasn't taken effect yet. My clients are split between Office 97 and Office 2000 with no intentions to upgrade. Very few have any XP except on a few new notebooks. Worms have just started to become a significant expense - not yet fully digested.

  • It's seen as high risk. Spend the money and it doesn't work and you have to go back to Windows anyway - more expense.

  • Resistance from employees is extreme. Irrational, but extreme. Just suggesting an alternative to Outlook sends the sales/marketing people on the warpath, and they have tremendous influence. Owners just don't want the internal strife.

  • Linux isn't ready because critical specialty applications aren't available yet. Does Linux have an equivalent of Act! or Maximizer? Not that I've seen.
Most small businss people consider computers a regretably necessary pain in the ass anyway, and want to spend as little time thinking about them as possible.

Linux must enter the small business market in a low profile way. I've successfully deployed a number of Linux servers, and resistance from software vendors and consultants seems to be declining. Beyond that, it's going to have to come in as a task specific item.

Right now, I think it's more important to move small business people to OpenOffice and Mozilla, so when the disaster does come, or licensing costs become unbearable, the transition will be a lot easier. If it does come, I've made my case and my clients know where to turn and who not to blame.

As for OS/2, it only runs DOS/Win3.1 software - and with some restrictions. DOS worms are pretty few and far between right now, and the last DOS boot sector infector I've seen was at least 4 years ago.

Thanks for your comments on patching. I'm going to incorporate at least the one on patches being impossible to back out.

[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Smart thinking
Windows with Open Office and Mozilla will train the users to use this software and when the change does happen they will know how to operate Open Office and Mozilla under Liuux. The price is right, virtually nothing, to use those software titles, just be sure to have them donate something to Mozilla.

What OO needs is an Outlook and Access clone, or work-a-like. I suppose Evolution can handle Outlook's function under Linux, but Access is hard to match with its ease of use database. When I had a small business, we developed a lot of databases in Access, so our old clients would have to have those databases and apps based on them converted to something else.



"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New Re: Change of OS . .

ObLRPD: Considering that all you're risking is the $15 co-payment, there's no harm in giving him a shot at it.

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I understand and largely share your thinking on migrations. Fell-swoop is hard to go.

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I'd attack the gradualism premise on two fronts:

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  • Replace MSFT server apps with corresponding free software alternatives. For calendaring, take a look at [link|http://otn.oracle.com/products/cs/content.html|Oracle's Collaboration Suite]. It's web and server based, with very aggressive pricing, and some pretty strong recommendations. See also the TWIT [link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/ApplicationsCalendaring|Calendaring page].
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  • Desktop apps. Sounds like you're doing this: OpenOffice, Mozilla, and the GIMP are first-run options. There's the [link|http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/index.html|GNUWin II] free software apps for Windows disk, which is decent, though something of a mixed bag. Still, transitioning to portable apps, then porting OS, makes the transition smoother.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
     New article on Worms. - (Andrew Grygus) - (24)
         Well done! -NT - (deSitter)
         A few minor nits - (bluke) - (4)
             Got 'em, thanks - (Andrew Grygus) - (3)
                 Got it for you... - (folkert) - (2)
                     Thanks, but refresh your cache . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                         DOH... - (folkert)
         Thank! Saves me the effort... - (kmself) - (4)
             OS/2 runs Win 3.x code - (SpiceWare)
             Change of OS . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                 Smart thinking - (orion)
                 Re: Change of OS . . - (kmself)
         interesting comment in this article on the update problem - (SpiceWare) - (4)
             Sentient LRPD... - (static)
             Ya beat me with that excellent link! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
             Another problem - (bepatient) - (1)
                 Well, that's always an issue. - (inthane-chan)
         One typo - (drewk)
         ObSentientLRPD - (inthane-chan) - (1)
             Thanks. I'll get those and a few other products . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         ObLRPD: Thank you for making a simple LRPD very happy. - (Steve Lowe)
         One more link to fold in is... - (a6l6e6x)
         ... so they must be faking the IIS response. - (altmann)
         Freudian slip? - (broomberg) - (1)
             Dumb spell checker . . - (Andrew Grygus)

This is a test of the Emergency LRPD System. This is only a test.
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