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New Latest thoughts on good 21-22" monitors for work?
Hi,

My Hitachi CM771 19" monitor at work recently died. I figured it was going when the pincushion control went bonkers, and sure enough a week later it wouldn't turn on. We've had about 30% mortality on 19" Hitachis and they're getting out of the CRT business, so it's time to look for something else. Mine was purchased refurbished with a 1 year warranty about 18 months ago. :-(

I need 1600x1200x75+ Hz with sharp clear text. Higher resolutions would be nice if they can be had at 72+ Hz with clear text. The Hitachis are wonderful for 16x12x75, when they work. :-/

A colleague has a 21" Sony G520 that seems pretty good but I haven't examined it in detail. I can't figure out the difference between it and the G520P. The -P is slightly cheaper at [link|http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=19&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycodevalue=3797|newegg] now.

I used to like Sony monitors a lot, but I've seen some really crappy big Sony tubes (e.g. one that came with a Gateway machine that has non-uniform colors in one corner, etc.) so I'm not wedded to them. I've seen some reviews of the G520 that say it's wonderful but talk about using it at 1280x1024. :-/ I've also seen complaints about the image shaking...

Is the [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=33848|Viewsonic P225F] still well regarded? Cadalyst [link|http://www.cadalyst.com/reviews/hardware/0702monitors/view.htm|likes] it.

My budget is $600-ish, so Eizo or top-of-the-line Sony's are out. Any recommendations you want to pass along along with favorite places to purchase them would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Cheers,
Scott.
New Can't immediately see how big this one is...
[link|http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/FlatCDT/Monitor_FlatCDT_957MB.htm|http://www.samsung.c...FlatCDT_957MB.htm]

We use a 17" predecessor of the link. They do 1600x1200 quite good, but I don't know the refresh rate (rates as low as 50Hz don't bother me because I can't see the flicker).

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New Thanks, that's a 19". The 21" is the 1100DF
[link|http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/FlatCDT/Monitor_FlatCDT_1100DF_sp.htm|1100DF]. It will do 2048x1536x75 Hz but for some reason they list the recommended setting as 1280x1024x85 Hz.

I'll look into it. Thanks.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Latest thoughts on good 21-22" monitors for work?
I know this is a shade over your budget, but [link|http://products.insight.com/product/Presentation/index.vm?product_id=PSGSYN7511|http://products.insi...uct_id=PSGSYN7511] would be better for your eyes than a CRT product.


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New Interesting.
That's the first 17"-18" LCD that I recall seeing with a claimed 1600x1200 resolution. It seems it must be interpolated though because multiplying the dot pitch of 0.27 mm by 1600 pixels gives 17" and the diagonal size is only 17.4"... Interpolation is going to give fuzzy text at 1600x1200.

The contrast ratio is OK at 400:1 (higher is better and 500:1 is available on some), but the response time of 25 ms is a little slow (faster is better and 16 ms is avaiable on some). And the brightness of 220 cd/m^2 is a little low (higher is better and I've seen some claiming 280 cd/m^2).

LCDs are certainly something I should look into more though since I won't be getting another monitor for at least 3 years. Maybe I can argue that the electricity savings will justify the price of a [link|http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=20&manufactory=1922&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1|Eizo L985EX]. ;-)

Thanks!

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Interesting.
Thinkpads come with 1600x1200 LCDs (A31p). Mine is 1400x1050. Neither is interpolated.

Interpolation is not bad if done downward. I can't see how it's even possible to "overinterpolate". Characters would look horrible. 1280x1024 on this LCD is however just fine. At 1024x768 it starts getting ugly.

Also, interpolation ruins the good effect of SPA.
-drl
New 1600x1200 is easier on a 15" screen.
If manufacturing defects are distributed randomly per unit area (as they often are), then the smaller the area the greater the chance of having a defect-free screen. Thus 1600x1200 is easier to produce at high yields than 1600x1200 on a 17" or 19" screen.

Even if a 15" screen can do 1600x1200, it would give itsy bitsy text. ;-)

The A31P is certainly a very nice box.

I can't see how it's even possible to "overinterpolate". Characters would look horrible.

It's just a matter of having the electronics have a higher bandwidth than the physical pixel grid on the screen. It was quite common for early 15" monitors to quote maximum resolutions above 1024x768 with 0.28 to 0.32 mm dot pitches - they could physically display the stuff, but as you say it would look very bad because there would be more than one pixel of information displayed on each physical phosphor pixel - a no-no for sharp images.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: 1600x1200 is easier on a 15" screen.
Well, isn't the point that an LCD has a quantized drawing zone, while a CRT is a continuum?

(As mentioned, out of 10 A31s I've dealt with recently, not *one* had a single bad pixel. In the HMM, IBM lists some horrible-sounding tolerances for bad pixels - "no more than 11 bright, 18 dark, or 16 bright and dark combined". Sheesh!)
-drl
New Good point. I'll have to think on that...
[link|http://www.princetongraphics.com/product_sen751.htm|This] page at Princeton Graphics says:

1280 x 1024 Native Resolution:
Displays a crisp, clear 1280 x 1024 native resolution and is capable of 640 x 480 to 1600 x 1200 resolutions.*

Maximum/Native Resolution:
UXGA 1600 x 1200 Maximum Resolution*
XGA 1280 x 1024 Recommended Resolution

Compatibility:
Digital: Digital Visual Interface (DVI), up to 1280 x 1024
Analog: Scales up to 1600 x 1200*
VESA\ufffd 1280 x 1024 @ 85/75/60Hz
VESA\ufffd 1024 x 768 @ 85/75/70/60Hz
VESA\ufffd 800 x 600 @ 85/75/72/60/56Hz
VESA\ufffd 640 x 480 @ 85/75/72/60Hz
Super VGA, VGA, Macintosh\ufffd 832 x 624@ 75Hz,
Power Mac\ufffd and more

* Analog Input Mode Only.


They are doing some interpolation tricks, somehow, to get 1600x1200 when driven by analog signals. But physically, the SENergy 751 is a 1280x1024 LCD. The .PDF Specification Sheet says the active screen is 13.61\ufffd x 10.89\ufffd (345.6mm x 276.48mm). At 0.27 mm per pixel, there are 1280 pixels across and 1024 pixels up, so it adds up.

Cheers,
Scott.
Expand Edited by Another Scott Aug. 23, 2003, 11:44:55 AM EDT
New I LOVE mine
And I'm REALLY picky.

My current office CRTs are Sun GDM-5410.

[link|http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_21_Prem_Flat_CRT.html|http://sunsolve.sun....rem_Flat_CRT.html]

Which is really a Sony GDM-5410

You have everyday PC monitors.
And then REAL workstation monitors.
The is a REAL one.

I have 2 of them, side by side, using a dual headed Matrox card.

At home I have 2 Hitachi 751s on 2 cards using Xinerama.

Don't bother getting the midrange stuff. The physical pain and eyestrain is not worth it. Either you can justify the larger good monitor or not. If not, then get a good smaller one.
New Re: Latest thoughts on good 21-22" monitors for work?
If you can't afford a TFT, then go for Iiyama. I love my Vision Master Pro 510 - and I bought it for home use out of my own pocket. It'll do 1600x1200 at 100Hz.

Assuming your computer can support dual monitors, have you considered getting two smaller TFTs? The Samsung 191s are *very* nice.
qts
New Ended up going with a Sony CPD-G520P
It's big! About 20" across and 20" deep. The P has a silverish bezel while the non-P is more of an off-white. The P was cheaper at newegg.com, so I went with that.

It seems pretty good so far. The Trinitron dampner wires are very fine and hardly noticable. The convergence and focus across the screen seems fine.

I'm running it at 1800x1440x70 Hz with Win2k to see how it goes. I may end up dropping it down to something slightly coarser. The tube will do 2048x1536, but the text is far too illegible there. 1600x1200 is what they recommend and everything is very sharp there. I'm using it with a Matrox G450 card.

I'll report back if I have any issues with it.

Cheers,
Scott.
     Latest thoughts on good 21-22" monitors for work? - (Another Scott) - (11)
         Can't immediately see how big this one is... - (static) - (1)
             Thanks, that's a 19". The 21" is the 1100DF - (Another Scott)
         Re: Latest thoughts on good 21-22" monitors for work? - (pwhysall) - (5)
             Interesting. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                 Re: Interesting. - (deSitter) - (3)
                     1600x1200 is easier on a 15" screen. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                         Re: 1600x1200 is easier on a 15" screen. - (deSitter) - (1)
                             Good point. I'll have to think on that... - (Another Scott)
         I LOVE mine - (broomberg)
         Re: Latest thoughts on good 21-22" monitors for work? - (qstephens)
         Ended up going with a Sony CPD-G520P - (Another Scott)

Oh, we're on?
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