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New Help getting Debian configured properly?
Here is the history, mostly so that people who are in my position know what not to do.

At my new job I was handed a brand new machine from Dell, and told to install what I liked on it. Of course they didn't know exactly what was on it, and had thrown away the receipt so couldn't find out. Not good, but I decided to try and install Debian. Which worked fine until I wound up with X not working. After a couple of wrong turns there, I found that there was a knoppix CD hanging around. I booted that and X worked! Therefore I decided to redo things with booting knoppix, and then doing the install to hard drive from that, then upgrade.

This appears to have been a mistake. First of all the list of hosts that it had was long, and some didn't work right, leading "apt-get update" to crash. Hrm. After some fiddling I wound up with a shorter list in the US, and found that "apt-get dist-upgrade" wanted to uninstall most of KDE. Hrm. On IRC I got the advice that "KDE is in unstable. Just upgrade to unstable and you will be fine." Perhaps..but the version of knoppix that I had had KDE packaged rather differently than it is on unstable. I still was going to remove it. So I began to do upgrades, and install packages, hoping to keep KDE in working order.

Well eventually that got me to a point where apt-get refused to do anything because of broken dependencies, telling me to do "apt-get install -f" to fix things. But "apt-get install -f" always started on the same thing, leading to stopping on a conflict. And "apt-get remove" refused to remove that package because dependencies were messed up. Hrm. But aptitude was willing to run - however it wanted to uninstall all of the KDE packages. :-(

Well I let it do that, and after various invocations of apt-get and aptitude wound up with a working system (I am posting from it). However it is not perfect...
  1. I have a ton of broken halfway uninstalled packages (mostly KDE related) hanging around. I would like to clean that up and do some reinstalling...
  2. I have X working in a fallback mode with a generic driver. I have a Radeon 9800 that I would like a good enough driver for that I could run the Dell 2000fp flatscreen monitor running in native 1600x1200 mode. (More real estate, more real estate!)
  3. Were I Peter I would care that I don't have my undoubtably nice sound card detected. On a work computer I don't care about that, 'nuff said.
  4. Suggestions taken on a decent window manager. My definition of decent is gives me lots of real estate, many desktops that I can key between, when I hit "maximize" on a terminal it maximizes up/down and not full screen, and gdm launches it every time by default. I am currently using FVWM and it does everything I need except get launched from gdm.


All suggestions on how to achieve any of the above goals taken, except for "reinstall the system". Any suggestions for useful things that I can do with the system will be taken under consideration. The reason for refusal to reinstall at present is that I have reached a point where I can be productive, and I don't want to waste time reinstalling without very good reason. None of my irritations are good enough reasons IMHO.

Cheers,
Ben

PS In other news I will have a proper place to live on or about September 1, and after I am properly set up there I will be trying to get online from home. After that I will begin playing catchup...
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Specific apt problem needs resolving
You know, I never got into these issues with a Debian system installed from scratch. But after a knoppix-based install? My uneducated guess is that the "kitchen sink" involved adding some items that didn't follow Debian policy. Here is an example. The dvipdfm package required something that is no longer available from standard sources. So aptitude wants to remove it, and won't do anything else until it is removed. But if I try to remove either with aptitude or apt-get I run into trouble:

root@sarnassi:~# apt-get remove dvipdfm
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
dvipdfm
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 440kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
(Reading database ... 102022 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing dvipdfm ...
Removing `diversion of /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvipdfm.def to /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvipdfm.def.tetex by dvipdfm'
dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvipdfm.def' with
different file `/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvipdfm.def.tetex', not allowed
dpkg: error processing dvipdfm (--remove):
subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
dvipdfm
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

So, how do I get rid of it for real?

Thanks,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Try dpkg?
apt-get and aptitude (among others) are merely pretty interfaces to the dpkg command.

What happens when you run dpkg --purge dvipdfm?
-YendorMike

[link|http://www.hope-ride.org/|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
New Didn't work...
root@sarnassi:~# dpkg --purge dvipdfm
(Reading database ... 102022 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing dvipdfm ...
Removing `diversion of /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvipdfm.def to /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvipdfm.def.tetex by dvipdfm'
dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvipdfm.def' with
different file `/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvipdfm.def.tetex', not allowed
dpkg: error processing dvipdfm (--purge):
subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
dvipdfm
You have new mail in /var/mail/root

I will stare at the documentation on dpkg after lunch though, and see if I can get somewhere with it by adding more command-line flags.

Thanks,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New If you can get on Jabber...
I can help you out.

Of course be ready to be remote fingers for me.

--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

Din nese overger kun din haltende underleppe!
New Not currently set up
I got through the one package removal issue (by removing tetex-bin - eliminating the conflict so that the first can go. I will reinstall TeX if I prove to care about it). Unless I get into a real bind, I would prefer to avoid the temptation of chat...

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Radeon 9800 driver
You want the FireGL driver from ATI.

Other issues:

1. Knoppix is an unholy mix of stable, testing and unstable. Consider binning it for a clean install of Regular Vanilla Debian.
2. Consider locating the unoffical XFree86 4.3 packages for Debian.
3. Use GNOME and get over yourself :) (Note to the peanut gallery: No gripes about "bloat" please, you're almost certainly talking out of your arse and this box will have cycles and RAM to spare)


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New More details, please?
Would you suggest that I use the approach in [link|http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200306/msg00042.html|http://lists.debian....306/msg00042.html] to install that driver? If not, then can you point at a better guide to follow for a Debian system?

As for the rest, I think that I addressed that in my post. Yes, I have discovered the truth of what you said about knoppix. No, reinstalling is not currently an option unless my system gets seriously hosed, and at this point if I did reinstall, then I would be installing Red Hat, not Debian. The system currently is usable, just not optimal.

As for gnome vs KDE, I don't care. At the moment I am using neither, nor does any feature I have seen listed for either appear on my wishlist for this system. I don't care how much or little bloat either has, does it readily do what I asked of it? Any answer that requires time and effort from me and doesn't address that question is an answer addressed to someone else, and will be ignored accordingly.

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
New Re: More details, please?
That guide looks pretty good. It's what I'd do.

Yes, GNOME will do what you want WRT to workspaces. Dunno about the maximise thing.

XFCE4 is a pleasant enough environment, too.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New What I did on a brand new Compaq Presario S4000NX
The motherboard was Intel 845, Brookdale chip set.

[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=112455|Link Here]
I installed Debian Stable, from scratch (ultimately I did this about 3 times).

Then I went to XFree86 website and got the latest XFree86 Version 4.3, built it on my computer (instructions are included in the README file), and the install script even installs it over your old XFree86 version.

The only problem I had was that I had to use the "older" libc (glibc) library. I tried it with the latest libraries, didn't work, so I did it again with older library. That worked.

With one caveat. It boots and starts up fine, looks great! However, if I terminate the X-Server, for some reason, I can't just startx and get it going again (like I can with a stable XFree86 on my older Compaq). I have to restart the machine for some reason. Some people here have suggested an alternate distribution site, other than XFree86 for source code, but I've been too busy at work to pursue it right now.

Our project is due August 26th, so I'm gonna be kind of scarce, until we get the prototype done.

Glen Austin
Expand Edited by gdaustin Aug. 21, 2003, 11:49:18 PM EDT
     Help getting Debian configured properly? - (ben_tilly) - (9)
         Specific apt problem needs resolving - (ben_tilly) - (2)
             Try dpkg? - (Yendor) - (1)
                 Didn't work... - (ben_tilly)
         If you can get on Jabber... - (folkert) - (1)
             Not currently set up - (ben_tilly)
         Radeon 9800 driver - (pwhysall) - (2)
             More details, please? - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                 Re: More details, please? - (pwhysall)
         What I did on a brand new Compaq Presario S4000NX - (gdaustin)

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