Think my dad's on Lipitor

Post #114,723 by Yendor 8/21/03 10:59:50 AM Reply	Think my dad's on Lipitor Though, judging by pictures I've seen of you, he's got you by a good 100 pounds. We don't exactly talk about the regularity of his dumps, but he eats normally and seems pretty regular the times I've seen him over the past year or so. -YendorMike [link\|http://www.hope-ride.org/\|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
Post #114,729 by deSitter 8/21/03 11:18:59 AM Reply	Re: Think my dad's on Lipitor I've lost 10 pounds in 2 months on this stuff. My appetite is wrecked. -drl
Post #114,731 by broomberg 8/21/03 11:28:04 AM Reply	High high is your cholesterol If you are not about to keel over from it, and have a little time to drop it, use metamucil. Quadruple dose. You body uses cholesterol to make bile. Bile is aborbed by metamucil. As the body makes bile your cholesterol drops. I dropped mine about 30 points in 6 months via daily metamucil.
Post #114,735 by deSitter 8/21/03 11:39:47 AM Reply	Re: High high is your cholesterol Well, this is my issue with Lipitor - this stuff works down at the very base of metabolism, by monkeying with a critical enzyme - the systemic effects are easy to detect and for me at least they are very unpleasant - normally, high cholesterol or no, I feel really good, lots of energy, good appetite, high spirits - so how can it be better for me to fuck up my basic life function just to put a mystery number in a certain range? We're not that far from leeches and bloodletting. My great grandfather ate 6 to 8 eggs a day, to go with his bacon, fatback, pork, and beef, not to mention blackeyed peas cooked with hamhocks, butter-soaked cornbread, and all the other fat-laden goodies of Southern cooking - farmed 400 acres his entire life up into his 80s, smoked 2 packs of unfiltered cigarettes, and finally was done in by Epsom salts and a burst appendix at 87. What is the real evidence for the dangers of cholesterol? My heart is in great shape despite my 250+ cholesterol count. And, it's not as if the Lipitor causes a dramatic drop in count. You're sure the Metamucil works? I will try it. -drl
Post #114,750 by Another Scott 8/21/03 12:27:45 PM Reply	Diet is only abut 20% of your cholesterol level. Exercise and heredity are the biggest factors in determining your cholesterol level. There's some little town on the Adriatic, IIRC, that has inhabitants with cholesterol levels of 800 or so that has no heart disease.... I haven't been able to find the link I'm thinking of, but will try harder if you're interested. Cheers, Scott.
Post #114,758 by deSitter 8/21/03 12:38:30 PM Reply	very - thanks I've had no luck deciperhing the impenetrable mass of medical disinformation on the 'Net. I CAN tell that drug companies do a great deal of lobbying to have their product consumed. -drl
Post #114,767 by Another Scott 8/21/03 1:00:28 PM Reply	Some links. [link\|http://unisci.com/stories/20012/0427016.htm\|UniSci.com] story on ARH - a disease characterized by very high levels of LDL. [link\|http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/02/000216082501.htm\|ScienceDaily] story on family from Limone, Italy with very high levels of cholesterol but no heart disease. [link\|http://www.cardiacsurgery.com/html/cholesterol.htm\|CardiacSurgery.com] on cholesterol: Blood Institute recommend what's called the step It Diet, you should have: * Thirty percent or less of total daily calories from fat. * Less than 7 percent of total daily calories from saturated fat. * Less than 200 milligrams of dietary cholesterol a day. * Just enough calories to achieve and maintain a healthful weight. Studies have found that this diet can reduce total blood cholesterol levels by 6 percent to 21 percent, depending on what you used to eat. The emphasized section is the closest I've found to the 80% is non-dietary quote I'm thinking of, but it's not it. Perhaps these will give you an idea of what to search for. There were several more stories on cholesterol at ScienceDaily.com. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #114,782 by deSitter 8/21/03 1:56:52 PM Reply	My diet 1) 30% from coffe 2) 30% from beer 3) 30% from cigarettes 4) 10% from crow -drl
Post #114,764 by a6l6e6x 8/21/03 12:56:00 PM Reply	Re: Metamucil works? From [link\|http://www.healthcare.ucla.edu/pls/cholesterol.htm\|"Cholesterol and Your Heart"] at UCLA site. Eat more soluble fiber. Soluble fiber carries some substances out of the body in stool before the liver can use them to manufacture cholesterol. Depriving the liver of materials it needs to make cholesterol forces it to use LDL cholesterol from the bloodstream instead, causing cholesterol to go down. Alex "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
Post #114,860 by broomberg 8/21/03 11:24:41 PM Reply	Yup [link\|http://www.google.com/search?q=bile+soluble+fiber+cholesterol&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N\|http://www.google.co...F-8&start=10&sa=N] Here's some of the more authoratative hits: [link\|http://www.cami.jccbi.gov/AAM-400A/FASMB/HOP/just.htm\|http://www.cami.jccb...ASMB/HOP/just.htm] [link\|http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/columnnn/nn980610.html\|http://www.ext.colos...nnn/nn980610.html] [link\|http://www.emory.edu/EMORY_REPORT/erarchive/1996/May/ERmay.6/5_6_96wellness.html\|http://www.emory.edu...6_96wellness.html]

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