Fifty years vs. nineteen hundred and thirty years

Post #114,539 by jake123 8/20/03 10:00:51 AM Reply	Fifty years vs. nineteen hundred and thirty years Which one of those was ancient history again? The way I see it, Israel has a major problem; their economy is dependent on cheap Palestinian labour; without it, their economy will go tits up, so they have to let them in. That's the real reason they can't stop the suicide bombings; it's impossible to tell bombers from workers with 100% reliability. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #114,546 by bluke 8/20/03 10:42:16 AM Reply	Not really The Palestinians need the jobs more then Israel needs them. It is the US, EU, etc. who are constantly pressuring Israel to let Palestinian workers in because otherwise they have nowhere to work.
Post #114,558 by jake123 8/20/03 12:07:01 PM Reply	So why don't they stop them coming in? Or is the fact that the US puts pressure on considering that the US gives more than a billion a year to Israel have a lot more to do with it? What would the economy in Israel be like without foreign aid and Palestinian labour? --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #114,683 by bluke 8/21/03 2:53:30 AM Reply	Because the US and the EU want them to let them in The US influence is not really an issue of money. The money that the US gives to Israel is a very small percentage of the budget and in fact most if it has to be spent in the US. The primary benificiary of the aid money are US arms manufacturers. The US has tremendous influence because of it's role as the sole superpower in the world.
Post #114,789 by jake123 8/21/03 2:22:34 PM Reply	Many countries have told the US to go stuff themselves there's no reason Israel need be any different. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #114,815 by bluke 8/21/03 4:40:23 PM Reply	There certainly is There is no other country that is under attack at the UN like Israel. I forget the number, buit a huge percentage of UN resolutions are against Israel. Israel needs the US on the security council.
Post #114,824 by pwhysall 8/21/03 5:09:42 PM Reply	Why are the resolutions being passed? Ask yourselves that. And "wah wah we're Jewish so everyone hates us the bastard nazi thugs!" isn't the answer. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #114,853 by bluke 8/21/03 10:59:07 PM 8/22/03 12:22:56 AM Reply	For one, anti-smeitism definately plays a role secondly there are 22 Arab countries, a whole bunch of non-Arab muslim countries, and a whole bunch of countries dependent on Arab oil. Whatever you think about Israel it should be clear to any thinking person that Israel is not the problem in the world. Yet from the number of UN resolutions it certainly looks that way. Even Kofi Anan has admitted that the UN has been anit-Israel. The 2002 Durban Anti-RAcism conference is a perfect example. Israel is clearly not the most racist country in the world and neither is it a big source of racism, yet Israel was the focus of the conference, what is your explanation? Edited by bluke Aug. 22, 2003, 12:22:56 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #114,841 by Simon_Jester 8/21/03 9:58:27 PM Reply	Cough...no argument there The money that the US gives to Israel is a very small percentage of the budget and in fact most if it has to be spent in the US. The primary benificiary of the aid money are US arms manufacturers. Best possible way for US Politicians to get graft to Defense Contractors - give US billions to another country and then demand that other country spend said billions buying US Defense contracts. Quick question - is it good for Israel in the long run? I know it's not good for the US in the long run.
Post #114,855 by bluke 8/21/03 11:00:41 PM Reply	No it's not and a number of prominent people in Israel have said it. However, it is hard to implement.

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