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New Can you say multi-billion dollar lawsuit? I knew you could
I know that, legally, the EULA indemnifies M$ from any and all liability. But it would be nice to see the scum squirm. I can see the press conference:

Responsible (don't laugh) journalist: "Mr Gates, FirstEnergy's evidence clearly shows that M$ software is solely responsible for what is being called the worst blackout in mankind's history, causing the loss of billions to the economy and endangering the lives of millions of people. Experts are saying that if M$ would have spent a fraction of your billion-dollar hoard, this could easily have been prevented. Some are even saying that using any other company's software (all of it better and cheaper), would also have prevented this. Do you have any comment?"

Bill Gates, the Great Satan of Software: "If you read the EULA, you'll see that it is clearly not our fault. Our software is not guaranteed to do anything at all, and there's not a thing anyone can do about it. By the way, did you receive my billion-dollar donation that created the Press-M$ Frienship Club this morning?"

Now-back-to-normal journalist: "Thank you, Mr. Gates. This outage was obviously caused by communist, open software-using, hacker terrorists."

Oh well, the press conference started out good, but that part ends up on the cutting room floor.

Brian Bronson
New Lends new context to Sun's Java license:
the Software is not designed or intended for use in on-line control of aircraft, air traffic, aircraft navigation or aircraft communications; or in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility. Sun disclaims any express or implied warranty of fitness for such uses.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Indemnity

Such clauses have limited application. How limited, I'm not sure.

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There's much discussion in the Calera/[link|http://sco.iwethey.org/|SCO] bruhaha about indemnification and the extent to which it can or cannot shelter. I'm learning what I can on this myself, so no intelligent comment ATM.

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There's also the talk/walk dichotomy: if it can be shown that MSFT were actively promoting use of their systems in application spaces they were excluding in indemnity clauses....

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Despite all of this, the public and political damage will be extreme.

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     Oh, please please please... crashed nuke plant. - (admin) - (25)
         Can you say multi-billion dollar lawsuit? I knew you could - (bbronson) - (2)
             Lends new context to Sun's Java license: - (admin)
             Indemnity - (kmself)
         Re: Oh, please please please... crashed nuke plant. - (deSitter)
         Welp... that does it for me... - (folkert) - (20)
             Agreed - (Yendor) - (6)
                 Ick - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                     like this? - (SpiceWare) - (4)
                         yikes! - (cforde) - (2)
                             For that price - (orion)
                             Even more natural than that: - (admin)
                         I actually think it should be wrapped around a tube - (tuberculosis)
             That's because they don't make the hardware themselves. -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (12)
                 Again... - (folkert) - (11)
                     The way it works (for the most part)... - (inthane-chan) - (10)
                         Re: The way it works (for the most part)... - (deSitter) - (9)
                             Well, I like perky boobs. :-P -NT - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
                                 I like happy go lucky comical idiots myself ;-) -NT - (bepatient)
                             Yabut... - (admin) - (6)
                                 How about a Bordeaux glass? - (Silverlock) - (5)
                                     I knew a girl like that once.... -NT - (admin) - (2)
                                         ouch.... -NT - (Steve Lowe)
                                         During your mountain climbing days? -NT - (Silverlock)
                                     OT- links - (Ashton) - (1)
                                         Chuckle - (Silverlock)

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