Re: Prolly the death of Kurt Cobain is more apropos

Post #112,924 by rcareaga 8/6/03 1:11:27 PM Reply	Re: Prolly the death of Kurt Cobain is more apropos Don't you think that the social-seismic effect of Cobain's demise was rather more narrowly-focused? It may have resonated with the grunge demographic, but it barely registered in my consciousness (I was 42 at the time), whereas two years later, though I was as little interested in the Windsor soap opera as I'd been in Nirvana, there was no escaping All-Dead-Diana-All-the-Time media saturation for the next week or so (see Granta #60 for an interesting take on this). cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #112,926 by jake123 8/6/03 1:23:39 PM Reply	You mean as opposed to now when I can hear his suicide mentioned at least bi-weekly on the local heavy rock station? They talk about Cobain more than they do about Hendrix. While it may not resonate among the boomers, for GenX it was a huge deal, and still is. The tabloid feeding frenzy around Diana's death (literal, after all) only managed to render her death tawdry, sad to say. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #112,933 by rcareaga 8/6/03 2:03:20 PM Reply	what I meant, actually, was that MM's death resonated across a far broader demographic. But North America in 1962 and North America in 1994 were socially and culturally very different places, of course, the former being far less fragmented: for example, when Buddy Holly was killed in 1959, this was big news to anyone who followed rock & roll, because at that time "rock" occupied a comparatively narrower part of the spectrum of popular music, whereas by the time of Cobain's death the term was all but useless for descriptive purposes, and its audience split among a score of sub-genres--so that for some of us Nirvana was as remote from our musical and cultural experience as, say, Lawrence Welk off in a different direction. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #112,942 by a6l6e6x 8/6/03 3:02:48 PM Reply	"The Day the Music Died". Alex A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw
Post #112,943 by pwhysall 8/6/03 3:03:41 PM Reply	Wasn't that the day the first Monkees album was released? Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #113,058 by tuberculosis 8/7/03 11:37:25 AM 8/21/07 6:41:43 AM Reply	No - start of British Invasion (TM) was TDMD Smalltalk is dangerous. It is a drug. My advice to you would be don't try it; it could ruin your life. Once you take the time to learn it (to REALLY learn it) you will see that there is nothing out there (yet) to touch it. Of course, like all drugs, how dangerous it is depends on your character. It may be that once you've got to this stage you'll find it difficult (if not impossible) to "go back" to other languages and, if you are forced to, you might become an embittered character constantly muttering ascerbic comments under your breath. Who knows, you may even have to quit the software industry altogether because nothing else lives up to your new expectations. --AndyBower Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:41:43 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #113,077 by rcareaga 8/7/03 12:58:56 PM Reply	British Invasion (TM) Interesting notion, and one I first heard advanced, with great bitterness, by a woman friend in the mid-1980s. She held that American rock & roll, a thriving native species, had been fatally tainted and finally overwhelmed by the Brits, beginning with the Beatles, and that even later variants mistaken for home-grown strains (e.g., the "San Francisco" sound) were merely induced mutations. She wasn't a cultural Luddite, exactly--she listened to the current tunes--but her first loyalty was to the vanished doo-wop era, and she always held that a proper rock & roll song should include a saxophone track. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #113,093 by Ashton 8/7/03 3:05:13 PM Reply	With (Only) one Original exception: Zappa / The Mothers ..most-all the rest - correct me if I missed some lower-level group that escaped the Homogenizer-Blender-Babelizer -?- A u-n-i-f-o-r-m collection of (oft badly-whomped) Whomp-Whomp transistor Gee-tar + plastic-transistor-'piano' sounds and Oh-So-similar lyrics, tempo perfectlyuniformly unvarying unRemittinglyDITTO and p r e d i c t a b l y Invariant dynamic range: \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd --> \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd (so much for there being any emotional content signified by nuanced appeal to sensibilities other than.. chaotic paroxism er NoiseScape) AND.. (only occasionally.. and vaguely-) Music-like SOUNDS. Yup: if a shriek Can be called merely "a SOUND". Or a recurrent whine/whinge.. pathos. Or a 'plaint that - "She! kicked me out 'cause I'm really a iggerant Slime-at-Heart (And What a Bitch She Is for Noticing)" OR.. (Of course too, even in Zappaland.. Cruising for Burgers [in Daddy's new car] does not quite.. achieve the wistfulness level of, say Die Sch\ufffdne Mullerin, but then.. what Does? And Yes: Mothers TOO-LOUD too :( This review brought to you by a consortium of non-rave Reviewers [who usually shake heads, tacitly smarl - and tune-it-out] of the Mondo-crappo which replaced even-Worse-Basiccrap (the Top-10, then Pop-30 then 40) -- and made the RIAA What It Is Today: Soo-Ey! Soo-Ey! A slop-hogs Wholesale IV funnel-feeder of swill to the tone-deaf masses of folks what will Consume Anything* if it's marketed-as-Rilly-BIG-Merde (foreign cachet?), in albums (rhymes with pabulum) with Covers suggesting that . . . [the listener Too! can stick a bar of Lava\ufffd down his genes.. and GetGurrlsToo] * tone-deaf? Make that clinically Profoundly-deaf, by age 30 \ufffd And maybe.. a Good Thing at that. All things considered. Ashton Recondite Rorshak Reviews LLC A Div. of Hunter S. Thompson Spiritual Retreats Ltd. Fad Reviews Rage Reviews Era Reviews (Eon-Reviews - at additional cost. By subscription only.)
Post #113,103 by pwhysall 8/7/03 3:33:14 PM Reply	Juno Reactor Nuff said. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #113,169 by boxley 8/8/03 7:59:11 AM Reply	Dont think so Although some groups that evolved into the 80's big hair bands were strictly Brit enthused, Here are a few that wernt, Alice Cooper, Johnny Winters and his brother Edgar. All the Southern rockabilly bands. ZZtop, Golden Earring, Ramones, Guns n Roses were all American flavored rock groups, Now if you want music, listen to the Blues, Delta or Chitown, that be some music. thanx, Bill questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]

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