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New On the PNAC...
Jay writes:

Anybody that has followed the PNAC side of the story knows the US was going to invade no matter what Saddam did.

I've given my view on the Saddam side of things [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/board/search/?field_searchUser=49&field_searchSubject=&field_searchContent=Saddam+UN&field_searchSignature=&field_searchForum=-1&field_boardid=1&submit_ok%3Amethod=Search|here]. I'd like to turn to the PNAC. The Project for the New American Century has a really bad reputatation around here. Fancy that. ;-)

[link|http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm|Here] is their Statement of Principles from 1997. While recognizing that any such statement aims to be as appealing as possible to the greatest number of nearly like-minded people as possible, what do you find objectionable about these items?

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

\ufffd we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

\ufffd we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge egimes hostile to our interests and values;

\ufffd we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

\ufffd we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.


Those statements are sufficiently nebulous that one can interpret them to mean that the US should support Contra-like forces, or that the US should support Solidarity-like groups, or both, depending on one's opinions about the Reagan administration. But as a general thesis, it seems to me that they're merely arguing that US foreign policy was better under Reagan than under Clinton and the US should return to those policies.

Taking this document, and only this document (not external commentary on it, please), what, if anything, do you find objectionable about it?

Personally, I see good and bad in it. Every country should have a foreign policy that seeks to maximize long-term benefits to its people. That means, IMHO, expanding trade and increasing peaceful contacts between peoples. I think the US does have greater responsibilities in the world than other countries due to our economic, political, and military power but I don't accept that we necessarily need to be prepared remake hostile governments by force or impose our views on others. It's easy to make the argument that the US military has suffered a deciline in war-fighting and peace-keeping capabilities, but it's also easy to argue that too much has been spent on missile defense and other arguably unneded systems.

On the whole, I don't think the PNAC principles are terribly bad, though I may have differences with the PNAC members in emphasis and on their implications.

Your thoughts?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Nebulosity
As you said, the SoP can support giving aid to both Contras and Solidarity types of organisations. In short, the PNAC SoP is perfect marketspeak bafflegab; it sounds nice without actually saying very much, beyond the fact that the US needs to have a foreign policy.

Well, duh.

The question is, what shall that policy be based on? What are the base principles upon which policy shall be formulated? That's the real question, and one that's not answered anywhere. To get a handle on that, you have to go trolling through the various papers available on the website.
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New Understanding what Principles mean
The PNAC's principles sound resonable if you don't know anything else about the organization. But the same can be said of these principles.
First: To protect the weak, the innocent, and the defenseless, from the indignities, wrongs, and outrages of the lawless, the violent, and the brutal; to relieve the injured and oppressed; to succor the suffering and unfortunate, and especially the widows and orphans of Confederate soldiers.

Second: To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and all laws passed in conformity thereto, and to protect the States and the people thereof from all invasion from any source whatever.

Third: To aid and assist in the execution of all constitutional laws, and to protect the people from unlawful seizure, and from trial except by their peers in conformity to the laws of the land.

If the bit about Confederate soldiers didn't tip you off, those principles come from a KKK charter. Once you understand that, the above bland principles take on a much more ominous meaning.

The same is true of the PNAC principles, they sound fairly acceptable by themselves. But once you look at the actions the members justify based on those principles, you realize they working towards US global domination via military power.

Jay
New Near-perfect illustration of 2003 'Principles' fabrications.
New Was that a bullseye hit I just observed :-) :-)
New Re: On the PNAC...
I still think the PNAC is nothing more than another name for the AEI.

As for principles - principles are easy. One can simply say they're for strong homeland security, good economy and good Christian values. The result can be Auschwitz.

Let's look at them in practice.
     On the PNAC... - (Another Scott) - (5)
         Nebulosity - (jake123)
         Understanding what Principles mean - (JayMehaffey) - (2)
             Near-perfect illustration of 2003 'Principles' fabrications. -NT - (Ashton)
             Was that a bullseye hit I just observed :-) :-) -NT - (dmarker)
         Re: On the PNAC... - (Simon_Jester)

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