Re: Differences between XP Home and XP Pro

Post #111,673 by pwhysall 7/28/03 2:36:46 AM Reply	Re: Differences between XP Home and XP Pro #1 Security is simplified in Home edition, but more complex in Pro edition. Everyone in Home edition has full control of the machine. Which as a System Administrator, you know is bad for a business when anyone can tinker with the system. By default. You can turn this off. #2 Automated System Recovery, being able to do a system backup and recovery from it is a good thing to have. Home edition lacks this. Have you ever tested this? ASR is crap - it's difficult to set up, tedious to do, and basically there's no way a busy small business person has the time or inclination to futz with it. #3 Out of the box, Home edition has no Fax support. Isn't having the ability to Fax important? Fax transmissions have dropped 50% in the past 5 years, so it's not a problem. Anyway, given that WXP Home does support fax devices, this is a moot point. #4 Encrypting file system, got to protect those sensitive documents. Home edition lacks this. Again, you demonstrate your lack of practical experience. EFS is NOT a simple file encryption system. Google for "Recovery Agent" and you'll see why. #5 Roaming profiles, not supported in Home edition. It would be nice to log onto any workstation and keep your settings, etc. Roaming profiles require an Active Directory domain and server. #6 IPSecurity, a must have if your systems have Internet access. Lacking in Home edition. Rubbish. IPSEC is barely used in LAN situations and far more often used in VPNs which small businesses are unlikely to have, given that you'd need a RAS server in there. #7 File Level access security control, not found in Home edition. I'll have to verify this, but I suspect this isn't true. I'll ignore the rest of them like C2 classification (which we know is a joke anyway), and multi-processor support, etc. Home only supports a single processor. Pro supports two. BFD. Loging into Domains, which was pointed out, is only needed if you have a Server and not a Peer to Peer network. Home edition lacks this. You missed the key words: "relevant to a small business". Which only one of the above, file-level security, is, and I'm not 100% sure that you've got your facts straight on that. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #111,721 by mmoffitt 7/28/03 11:47:05 AM Reply	Okay, Peter, I'll bite. This job I just took, almost all of us are running Win2K SP2. There's a bunch of VB6 apps running on all of them. No one running Win2K ever has a problem, but the XP users explorer crashes 2-3 times every other day. So, you tell me, what is the "business advantage" of XP over Win2K Pro? 'Cause I sure haven't seen any. I know MSFT enjoys advantages w/XP over Win2K, but how about their (ultimate) customers? bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #111,736 by andread 7/28/03 1:13:49 PM Reply	VB6 apps crashing on XP unfortunately not surprising XP comes with IE6 as 'part of the OS' there are incompatibilities w/ VB6 and IE6 2 yrs ago at a developer conference MS swore there would be SP6 for VB6 (the whole VS actually) this would make VB6 compatible w/ IE6 as SP5 did for IE5 there is no SP6 MS has apparently turned its back on their 2 tier strategy: some developers would stay as VS6 (VB6) others would move to .NET starting to look like a forced march A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]
Post #111,743 by bbronson 7/28/03 2:16:26 PM Reply	Do you have any cites for the incompatibilities? We (unfortunately) use VB6. As more of our customers are forced to upgrade to XP, I'm sure we'll run into this. Thanks Brian Bronson
Post #111,753 by orion 7/28/03 3:40:04 PM Reply	Re: Do you have any cites for the incompatibilities? If the VB program was compiled on an earlier OS, it will have some problems on XP as some of the components have changed in XP. I run VB 6.0, IE 6.0, and Windows 98 and I don't seem to have any problem with VB applications. I didn't try running them in XP yet, as my XP install shared the same hard drive as 98, and I had to remove it until I can afford a bigger hard drive. There seems to be a big migration to .Net these days by the big corps for some reason. I'm still stuck with VS 6.0 until I can afford VS.NET or at least VB.NET, but at least the ASP.NET is downloadable and I can try to learn that. [link\|http://www.asp.net/\|http://www.asp.net/] for more info. I hope to break out of VB one of these days and go into Java or C++, something I can use to develop on Non-Microsoft platforms.
Post #111,817 by mmoffitt 7/29/03 9:16:12 AM Reply	Hey, Peter. Since you replied to Norman and not to me, I take it that there are no advantages. Thanks, that's what I thought. bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #111,892 by pwhysall 7/29/03 3:38:45 PM Reply	Re: Okay, Peter, I'll bite. We're seeing better stability and the ability to roll-off drivers via System Restore is handy; we have some odd hardware floating around and the drivers aren't always what they could be. Group Policy is extended to cover even more things but this requires an AD domain, and hence is beyond the scope of any small business discussion. Fast User Switching is a feature that's handy for the scenario where there are a couple or three user for one box, and people don't want to go through the rigmarole of logging out. Finally, you're running VB6. Known to be ill-behaved in the context of Windows XP. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #111,905 by mmoffitt 7/29/03 5:15:56 PM Reply	OT: What's been your .Net experience? Before it was baked, I went up to MSFT in Chicago for a developer invite thingy where they demo'd it. I wasn't impressed, but, ... I just picked up a MSFT Press book on the .Net framework and it has come a long way since Beta 1 of VS.Net. Of course, the foo you read is always better than how things are. But from what I've read so far, this looks like a good deal. Have you deployed any serious .Net apps? If so, how'd you rate your experience? bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #111,908 by pwhysall 7/29/03 5:19:46 PM Reply	Absolutely nuffink whatsoever :-) Hell, we're just bringing some of our projects around to the idea of C++ :-) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #111,754 by orion 7/28/03 3:49:34 PM Reply	Don't take my word for it [link\|http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/choosing2.asp\|Go straight to the horse's mouth] see what Microsoft says Home Edition is lacking.
Post #111,806 by pwhysall 7/29/03 1:37:11 AM Reply	I did, you plonker. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]

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