Haha

Call me a canary for the small-biz tyro, then. I spent several sessions of several hours with that fine O'Reilly W2K Server book, in front of the console. (In connection with possibly doing some pro bono work for a local animal shelter - which had a fancy Compaq server, RAID, cha cha cha - and no local talent)

Yes, I can imagine that a couple of enthusiastic wannabe \ufffdber-geek kids might.. manage to barely get off the ground with a small system. I also recall (in the fine [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=33203| MANual] you suggested) the plethora of AD refs - an addendum to almost every task or TLA description! - which you might be looking up in order to comprehend.

That book would have been 1/3 the size - were it edited for all users not contemplating AD. Note the remark of the highly pro-Beast author re "learning AD". He Said That: talking to Pros. AD seemed to me a Giant Switch, altering the relationship of everything you thought you had grokked - if turned ON.

If it's true that most small biz has NO full-time Admin: I cannot imagine a MBA type coming close to managing.. let alone altering an AD network! And yes - I Am incompetent to manage networks (too) - just like the SBA guy. But I read English pretty well, even English about logic - and that was not nearly enough. The plethora of interrelated details is what cuts it (out).

Maybe it's been too long.. it's hard for me, too - to remember when just
pip B:=A:*.* /V seemed sorta cryptic. But I'd bet real money that no one without extensive acquaintance with a couple generations of M$ bafflegab, nested menus AND minutely detailed understanding of networking: could ever get AD working, (or keep-working, a pro-setup) after one random arcane glitch.

I guess YM Does V, but I imagine 'AD' may have something? to do with those staying with 9x, kicking and screaming OR hiring a pricey kinda gal they have no $ to pay.

Ashton
I wouldn't attempt AD even for sex - let alone $
I learned from that book! Why

OK, Lay on Mac Duff

Post #111,639 by pwhysall 7/27/03 6:32:41 PM Reply	Haha Just one more reason that just like you have to pass a test before you can drive a car, you should have to pass one before you're allowed to go a-tinkering with computers. No. Sympathy. (Actually, AD works really well on small domains. It's when you try to scale it to the enterprise that it's a bit of a bear) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #111,643 by Andrew Grygus 7/27/03 6:45:28 PM Reply	Oh, it worked quite well enough . . Problem was, the local "power users" never could figure out how to get a new PC to access the server (and the mess they left demonstrates they tried mightily), so they had to pay me a travel charge and 15 minutes every time they wanted to move stuff around. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #111,688 by Ashton 7/28/03 6:52:02 AM Reply	"AD works well"___Maybe for you it does. Call me a canary for the small-biz tyro, then. I spent several sessions of several hours with that fine O'Reilly W2K Server book, in front of the console. (In connection with possibly doing some pro bono work for a local animal shelter - which had a fancy Compaq server, RAID, cha cha cha - and no local talent) Yes, I can imagine that a couple of enthusiastic wannabe \ufffdber-geek kids might.. manage to barely get off the ground with a small system. I also recall (in the fine [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=33203\| MANual] you suggested) the plethora of AD refs - an addendum to almost every task or TLA description! - which you might be looking up in order to comprehend. That book would have been 1/3 the size - were it edited for all users not contemplating AD. Note the remark of the highly pro-Beast author re "learning AD". He Said That: talking to Pros. AD seemed to me a Giant Switch, altering the relationship of everything you thought you had grokked - if turned ON. If it's true that most small biz has NO full-time Admin: I cannot imagine a MBA type coming close to managing.. let alone altering an AD network! And yes - I Am incompetent to manage networks (too) - just like the SBA guy. But I read English pretty well, even English about logic - and that was not nearly enough. The plethora of interrelated details is what cuts it (out). Maybe it's been too long.. it's hard for me, too - to remember when just pip B:=A:. /V seemed sorta cryptic. But I'd bet real money that no one without extensive acquaintance with a couple generations of M$ bafflegab, nested menus AND minutely detailed understanding of networking: could ever get AD working, (or keep-working, a pro-setup) after one random arcane glitch. I guess YM Does V, but I imagine 'AD' may have something? to do with those staying with 9x, kicking and screaming OR hiring a pricey kinda gal they have no $ to pay. Ashton I wouldn't attempt AD even for sex - let alone $ I learned from that book! Why OK, Lay on Mac Duff

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