Hugh, the asshole in this thing was the PILOT

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Post #111,179 by jb4 7/23/03 6:32:05 PM Reply	Hugh, the asshole in this thing was the PILOT And those three hundred peopel wh were late wer late because a Hamfisted, power-intoxicated ex-military, my-country-wrong-or-wronger, hasn't had a civics less in over 3 decades shitferbrains couldn't understand that buttons don't hijack planes. jb4 The difference between Confidence and Ego is that Confidence has respect, while Ego does not. Candyce Burns (my wife)
Post #111,190 by deSitter 7/23/03 8:58:49 PM Reply	Utterly wrong These guys follow the script. You think they wanted to go back? When the FA reports an unruly passenger, a script kicks in. Ex-military - even more likely to follow the script. Individuality not needed, merited, or required. -drl
Post #111,218 by Ashton 7/24/03 3:39:45 AM Reply	Brains, common sense are always useful.
Post #111,224 by hnick 7/24/03 7:25:53 AM Reply	Absolutely - might also be a firing offense though I really have no idea what the federal/airline 'guidelines' are for such. It is possible the pilot was just being an asshole. It is also possible that he was risking his career if he did not turn the plane around. I can't imagine that he wanted the hassle of probable paperwork, delays and such. It is probable that the reality is somewhere in the middle. I think that it is a sad sign of our times that common sense/intelligent action are buried under regulations to keep the lawyers/politicos at bay. It's time to dig out the Harlan Ellison and re-read 'Repent Harlequin, Said the Ticktock Man'. It's becoming more appropriate every day. Hugh
Post #111,307 by jb4 7/24/03 4:51:24 PM Reply	And, increasingly, conspicuous by their absence! jb4 The difference between Confidence and Ego is that Confidence has respect, while Ego does not. Candyce Burns (my wife)

Man kicked off plane for political button - (lincoln) - (182) - July 21, 2003, 06:29:23 PM EDT

I take it that this is like - (orion) - (50) - July 21, 2003, 07:27:51 PM EDT

Doesn't sound like it to me, though... -NT - (imric) - July 21, 2003, 07:33:26 PM EDT

You. Would. -NT - (Ashton) - (48) - July 21, 2003, 07:55:15 PM EDT

Re: You. Would. - (rcareaga) - (47) - July 22, 2003, 11:02:12 PM EDT

that noise represents 70+% of Amerikan voters :( -NT - (boxley) - (7) - July 22, 2003, 11:04:22 PM EDT

OK then.. what % of the plurality: the non-voters? -NT - (Ashton) - (6) - July 22, 2003, 11:07:26 PM EDT

even larger :( - (boxley) - (5) - July 22, 2003, 11:13:15 PM EDT

I see only one solution, then. - (Ashton) - (3) - July 22, 2003, 11:25:42 PM EDT

No, Je refuse!!! we are responsable for our fellow man - (boxley) - July 22, 2003, 11:37:11 PM EDT

How ironic. - (FuManChu) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 12:24:26 AM EDT

Heh.. My Father has many liquids___er 'solutions' :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - July 23, 2003, 01:34:52 AM EDT

Re: even larger :( - (Nightowl) - July 23, 2003, 12:05:24 AM EDT

I confess that I vacillate on that one - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 11:19:37 PM EDT

I have a friend - (FuManChu) - July 23, 2003, 12:25:44 AM EDT

Re: You. Would. - (Nightowl) - (36) - July 23, 2003, 12:53:21 AM EDT

Listen to yourself - (rcareaga) - (35) - July 23, 2003, 01:16:34 AM EDT

Re: Listen to yourself - (Nightowl) - (34) - July 23, 2003, 01:24:45 AM EDT

Re: Listen to yourself - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 01:26:00 AM EDT

Re: Listen to yourself - (Nightowl) - July 23, 2003, 01:43:27 AM EDT

Re: Listen to yourself - (rcareaga) - (31) - July 23, 2003, 09:50:01 AM EDT

I am not going away - (orion) - (30) - July 23, 2003, 12:11:26 PM EDT

Re: I am not going away - (Nightowl) - (29) - July 23, 2003, 12:49:09 PM EDT

Exactly - (orion) - (28) - July 23, 2003, 01:12:28 PM EDT

Red Flag? - (pwhysall) - (27) - July 24, 2003, 07:48:11 AM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (folkert) - July 24, 2003, 10:57:58 AM EDT

Must be the "Purloined Letter" theory of covert ops... -NT - (admin) - (25) - July 24, 2003, 11:00:43 AM EDT

or cf the movie, "Charade" - for the non-reader. -NT - (Ashton) - (24) - July 24, 2003, 04:59:55 PM EDT

Re: the movie, "Charade" - (rcareaga) - (19) - July 24, 2003, 06:26:28 PM EDT

Oh me oh my... - (folkert) - (2) - July 24, 2003, 06:30:18 PM EDT

Re: Oh me oh my... - (rcareaga) - (1) - July 24, 2003, 06:48:23 PM EDT

Well Kate was the poster child for Zappa's Dynamo Hum - (boxley) - July 24, 2003, 11:35:53 PM EDT

Good story. He was right! -NT - (deSitter) - (15) - July 24, 2003, 09:12:58 PM EDT

Re: Good story. He was right! - (rcareaga) - (14) - July 24, 2003, 09:16:45 PM EDT

Re: Good story. He was right! - (deSitter) - (13) - July 24, 2003, 09:35:47 PM EDT

Well.. about Audrey I could tell you. - (Ashton) - (5) - July 24, 2003, 10:07:31 PM EDT

Re: Well.. about Audrey I could tell you. - (deSitter) - (3) - July 24, 2003, 10:29:42 PM EDT

Audrey? *Bitchy*? - (rcareaga) - (2) - July 24, 2003, 10:42:26 PM EDT

Re: Audrey? *Bitchy*? - (rcareaga) - (1) - July 24, 2003, 11:31:45 PM EDT

Re: Audrey? *Bitchy*? - (deSitter) - July 25, 2003, 07:46:18 AM EDT

My brother, a movie addict, named one daughter Katharine. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - July 24, 2003, 10:17:34 PM EDT

Philadelphia story was a damn good movie AND play. - (admin) - July 24, 2003, 10:24:55 PM EDT

Geez! Where to begin? - (rcareaga) - (5) - July 24, 2003, 10:25:54 PM EDT

PS re the Other Hepburn - (Ashton) - (3) - July 25, 2003, 01:12:05 AM EDT

Re: PS re the Other Hepburn - (rcareaga) - (2) - July 25, 2003, 01:18:56 AM EDT

BTW - Audrey's US postage stamps are out! - (Ashton) - (1) - July 25, 2003, 01:37:46 AM EDT

Re: BTW - Audrey's US postage stamps are out! - (Nightowl) - July 25, 2003, 01:53:03 AM EDT

34 for me... - (admin) - July 25, 2003, 09:11:10 AM EDT

Ok, that's the tangent limit people - (drewk) - (3) - July 25, 2003, 09:29:37 AM EDT

Oh.. -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - July 25, 2003, 03:15:09 PM EDT

Oh..______Kay..______then -NT - (Ashton) - July 25, 2003, 03:16:35 PM EDT

Belings in Politics, Man Ejected Off Plane for Button (new thread) - (orion) - July 25, 2003, 03:29:55 PM EDT

Wondering if pilots, aircrews are selected for general - (Ashton) - (31) - July 21, 2003, 07:54:39 PM EDT

Re: Wondering if pilots, aircrews are selected for general - (deSitter) - (28) - July 21, 2003, 11:25:54 PM EDT

Contentious LRPD: "That's what Brian Boitano'd do!" -NT - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 06:16:25 AM EDT

At which point, - (jb4) - (26) - July 22, 2003, 05:28:03 PM EDT

At a guess - (hnick) - (25) - July 22, 2003, 06:15:14 PM EDT

Well, Hugh - that is indeed the pragmatic approach. - (Ashton) - (2) - July 22, 2003, 06:34:11 PM EDT

Seems sort of boolean to come from you - (hnick) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 01:23:28 PM EDT

OW!___rilly know how to Hurt a Guy :( - (Ashton) - July 23, 2003, 05:11:22 PM EDT

Re: At a guess - (deSitter) - (16) - July 22, 2003, 08:00:38 PM EDT

Please tell me that's just flame bait. - (mmoffitt) - (15) - July 23, 2003, 09:48:50 AM EDT

Re: Please tell me that's just flame bait. - (deSitter) - (14) - July 23, 2003, 09:55:43 AM EDT

Huh, didn't know that Timothy McVeigh looked Semitic... -NT - (inthane-chan) - (5) - July 23, 2003, 10:32:46 AM EDT

He doesn't! - (deSitter) - (3) - July 23, 2003, 10:37:09 AM EDT

Well, that's the problem. - (inthane-chan) - (2) - July 23, 2003, 10:38:55 AM EDT

Re: Well, that's the problem. - (deSitter) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 10:50:10 AM EDT

Re: Well, that's the problem. - (deSitter) - July 23, 2003, 09:16:53 PM EDT

Re: Huh, didn't know that Timothy McVeigh looked Semitic... - (Nightowl) - July 23, 2003, 10:50:03 AM EDT

They asked for it? How? by being the wrong color? - (mmoffitt) - (7) - July 23, 2003, 10:50:00 AM EDT

Nope - by being from the wrong part of Earth - (deSitter) - (6) - July 23, 2003, 10:53:17 AM EDT

Are you reading as you're typing? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 11:00:22 AM EDT

Re: Are you reading as you're typing? - (deSitter) - July 23, 2003, 11:04:28 AM EDT

Civilization and life - (mhuber) - (3) - July 26, 2003, 09:22:38 PM EDT

It does come down to that, doesn't it. - (Ashton) - (1) - July 27, 2003, 07:12:59 AM EDT

Re: no historical perspective - (a6l6e6x) - July 27, 2003, 06:50:51 PM EDT

People who think 2 lives per day is too many - (Arkadiy) - July 27, 2003, 08:55:39 PM EDT

Hugh, the asshole in this thing was the PILOT - (jb4) - (4) - July 23, 2003, 06:32:05 PM EDT

Utterly wrong - (deSitter) - (3) - July 23, 2003, 08:58:49 PM EDT

Brains, common sense are always useful. -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - July 24, 2003, 03:39:45 AM EDT

Absolutely - might also be a firing offense though - (hnick) - July 24, 2003, 07:25:53 AM EDT

And, increasingly, conspicuous by their absence! -NT - (jb4) - July 24, 2003, 04:51:24 PM EDT

Most commercial pilots are former military - (jb4) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 05:25:50 PM EDT

Explanation tested: found complete. Danke. -NT - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 06:51:34 PM EDT

Am sympathetic, but there is a flaw. - (mmoffitt) - July 21, 2003, 08:28:51 PM EDT

Oh come on. - (Silverlock) - (94) - July 22, 2003, 09:56:02 PM EDT

OK - how about '?W' buttons then.. or 'Impeach Bush' ? -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - July 21, 2003, 09:35:07 PM EDT

Acting obtuse? - (Silverlock) - (1) - July 21, 2003, 10:06:04 PM EDT

It's like crazy Aunt Martha - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 06:07:19 AM EDT

Huh? - (broomberg) - (7) - July 21, 2003, 09:57:53 PM EDT

You equating this with discrimination? - (Silverlock) - (3) - July 21, 2003, 10:26:23 PM EDT

Re: You equating this with discrimination? - (jb4) - (2) - July 22, 2003, 05:34:20 PM EDT

All riiiighty then. - (Silverlock) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 09:21:26 PM EDT

One's lack of imagination is not criminal... - (jb4) - July 23, 2003, 06:44:09 PM EDT

In Joisey, (where else) two dreadlocked fellers - (boxley) - (2) - July 21, 2003, 10:49:37 PM EDT

..and pull your pants up! -NT - (deSitter) - (1) - July 21, 2003, 11:26:40 PM EDT

.. and cut off that sissy ponytail - might conceal Stuff -NT - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 11:08:34 PM EDT

I thought you supported the Dixie Chicks? - (SpiceWare) - (79) - July 21, 2003, 10:57:19 PM EDT

Yeah, me too - but then - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 06:12:17 AM EDT

Huh? - (Silverlock) - (77) - July 22, 2003, 08:52:16 AM EDT

Re: Huh? - (SpiceWare) - (76) - July 22, 2003, 09:38:46 AM EDT

You quote yourself - (Silverlock) - (75) - July 22, 2003, 10:38:39 AM EDT

I refer to an article - (SpiceWare) - (74) - July 22, 2003, 10:52:14 AM EDT

One more time. - (Silverlock) - (73) - July 22, 2003, 11:04:12 AM EDT

Re: One more time. - (Nightowl) - (46) - July 22, 2003, 11:16:24 AM EDT

No, no and no - (drewk) - (32) - July 22, 2003, 11:45:00 AM EDT

Re: No, no and no - (Nightowl) - (31) - July 22, 2003, 11:53:55 AM EDT

do you moo when you go to the airport? - (boxley) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 12:31:17 PM EDT

Re: do you moo when you go to the airport? - (Nightowl) - July 22, 2003, 12:36:33 PM EDT

I also haven't been trampled by any elephants since 9/11 - (drewk) - (8) - July 22, 2003, 03:12:06 PM EDT

ROFL! -NT - (jb4) - July 22, 2003, 05:53:18 PM EDT

Re: I also haven't been trampled by any elephants since 9/11 - (Nightowl) - (6) - July 22, 2003, 10:29:29 PM EDT

Why are you afraid of crashing Airplanes? - (boxley) - (5) - July 22, 2003, 10:48:29 PM EDT

Re: Why are you afraid of crashing Airplanes? - (Nightowl) - (4) - July 22, 2003, 11:07:17 PM EDT

Boxish to English translation. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 11:17:47 PM EDT

Re: Boxish to English translation. - (Nightowl) - July 22, 2003, 11:59:22 PM EDT

Well do you cower in fear that cars, and cows crash into - (boxley) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 11:22:00 PM EDT

Re: Well do you cower in fear that cars, and cows crash into - (Nightowl) - July 23, 2003, 12:12:50 AM EDT

You have an interesting sense of history - (jb4) - (18) - July 22, 2003, 05:52:01 PM EDT

Re: You have an interesting sense of history - (Nightowl) - (17) - July 22, 2003, 10:26:12 PM EDT

Out of the mouths of - - (Ashton) - (16) - July 22, 2003, 11:05:05 PM EDT

Re: Out of the mouths of - - (Nightowl) - (15) - July 22, 2003, 11:18:30 PM EDT

Two words re safe sheep____lamb chops -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 11:31:46 PM EDT

Re: Two words re safe sheep____lamb chops - (Nightowl) - July 23, 2003, 12:22:29 AM EDT

Dear God... - (rcareaga) - (5) - July 23, 2003, 12:39:43 AM EDT

Re: Dear God... - (Nightowl) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 12:45:00 AM EDT

Re: Dear God... - (rcareaga) - July 23, 2003, 12:51:49 AM EDT

Re: Dear God... - (Nightowl) - (2) - July 23, 2003, 12:50:54 AM EDT

nightowl wonders - (rcareaga) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 01:01:58 AM EDT

Re: nightowl wonders - (Nightowl) - July 23, 2003, 01:10:23 AM EDT

NO... what I meant was... - (jb4) - (6) - July 23, 2003, 06:57:11 PM EDT

Re: NO... what I meant was... - (Nightowl) - (2) - July 23, 2003, 08:58:18 PM EDT

AHAH! an almost tenured professor - (boxley) - (1) - July 24, 2003, 11:43:05 PM EDT

Re: AHAH! an almost tenured professor - (Nightowl) - July 25, 2003, 12:11:56 AM EDT

Retirement package still includes mint jelly... -NT - (hnick) - (2) - July 24, 2003, 07:39:37 AM EDT

**chuckle** -NT - (jb4) - July 24, 2003, 04:52:49 PM EDT

Oh You Kid..!______(speak goatish?) 23 Skiddoo -NT - (Ashton) - July 24, 2003, 05:17:38 PM EDT

What I know - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:03:03 AM EDT

Or, perhaps, one less time - (jb4) - July 22, 2003, 05:40:48 PM EDT

Please.. - (Ashton) - (7) - July 22, 2003, 06:19:12 PM EDT

Re: Please.. - (Nightowl) - (6) - July 22, 2003, 10:39:50 PM EDT

Point == missed. - (inthane-chan) - (5) - July 23, 2003, 12:04:36 AM EDT

Re: Point == missed. - (Nightowl) - (4) - July 23, 2003, 12:24:15 AM EDT

Technology? - (Ashton) - (3) - July 23, 2003, 02:43:17 AM EDT

Re: Technology? - (Nightowl) - (2) - July 23, 2003, 10:49:00 AM EDT

Well, that clears it up. - (Ashton) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 08:02:07 PM EDT

Re: Well, that clears it up. - (Nightowl) - July 23, 2003, 09:07:48 PM EDT

Re: One more time. - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 23, 2003, 12:33:15 AM EDT

Right. On. - (rcareaga) - July 23, 2003, 12:47:19 AM EDT

Thanks, Peter. - (Ashton) - July 23, 2003, 03:04:51 AM EDT

Dead fish get through the line faster -NT - (mhuber) - July 26, 2003, 09:25:18 PM EDT

button wasn't created for the article. - (SpiceWare) - (25) - July 22, 2003, 11:20:09 AM EDT

Sigh - (Silverlock) - (24) - July 22, 2003, 12:10:21 PM EDT

why the distinction? - (SpiceWare) - (23) - July 22, 2003, 12:26:06 PM EDT

Good question - (Silverlock) - (22) - July 22, 2003, 01:53:08 PM EDT

Good question, but the *wrong* one IMO - (drewk) - (21) - July 22, 2003, 06:57:48 PM EDT

Ept-LRPD: "Safety is our first concern! Actually, meat - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 07:03:58 PM EDT

Couldn't let this go by - (broomberg) - (16) - July 22, 2003, 07:27:47 PM EDT

See, e.g., 87073. - (Another Scott) - (15) - July 22, 2003, 07:33:55 PM EDT

Thanks for finding the link - (drewk) - (9) - July 22, 2003, 08:07:01 PM EDT

So then.. what about Government Subsidized biznesses? - (Ashton) - (8) - July 22, 2003, 08:16:39 PM EDT

Good point - (drewk) - (7) - July 22, 2003, 08:29:35 PM EDT

Private water company - (broomberg) - (6) - July 22, 2003, 08:37:16 PM EDT

Two answers - (drewk) - (5) - July 22, 2003, 08:59:28 PM EDT

Why? - (broomberg) - (2) - July 22, 2003, 09:27:04 PM EDT

Hey you can swim last time I checked - (boxley) - July 22, 2003, 11:00:59 PM EDT

How can "company towns" exist? - (drewk) - July 23, 2003, 08:24:08 AM EDT

Veolia (nee Vivendi) and Suez are 2 of the biggest. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 10:43:49 PM EDT

Re: Veolia (nee Vivendi) and Suez are 2 of the biggest. - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 11:48:45 PM EDT

Medical? - (broomberg) - (4) - July 22, 2003, 08:34:05 PM EDT

Turn it around - (drewk) - (3) - July 22, 2003, 08:53:56 PM EDT

I'm merely exploring your "harm" limitation - (broomberg) - (2) - July 22, 2003, 09:20:07 PM EDT

Not allowed to buy my product != harm - (drewk) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 08:02:54 AM EDT

Untrue - Answer Y/N on water company above - (broomberg) - July 23, 2003, 08:09:13 AM EDT

I'm not a pilot - (Silverlock) - (2) - July 22, 2003, 09:38:29 PM EDT

Cool, but ... - (drewk) - (1) - July 23, 2003, 07:58:50 AM EDT

Here ya go - (Silverlock) - July 23, 2003, 08:59:11 AM EDT

Agree that the subject title could have been better -NT - (lincoln) - (2) - July 22, 2003, 04:50:52 PM EDT

Hmmm. - (Silverlock) - (1) - July 22, 2003, 09:59:35 PM EDT

{cackle} -NT - (Ashton) - July 22, 2003, 10:53:48 PM EDT

Haha! - (pwhysall) - July 23, 2003, 12:38:38 AM EDT

Didn't EXACTLY happen to me. -NT - (mhuber) - July 26, 2003, 08:25:54 PM EDT

Didn't EXACTLY happen to me. - (mhuber) - July 26, 2003, 08:56:05 PM EDT

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