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New Something to lose sleep over
[link|http://www.ieeeusa.org/releases/2003/072103pr.html|http://www.ieeeusa.o...003/072103pr.html]

Why lose sleep? Because most of us who do this for a living are ill-suited to do anything else.
-drl
New Look at who they're talking about
One-half million jobs, or 10 percent of the U.S. information technology (IT) professionals currently working in IT services firms, will be displaced in the next 18 months as their jobs move overseas.
I'm not sure of this, but that reads like they mean people who work as consultants. For instance I don't work for an IT service firm, I work as internal IT at a real-estate firm.

These firms are already doing work that has been outsourced from the "real" business. So of course the companies doing the outsourcing are going to look for the best deal.

The fact that poorly conceived outsourcing plans are causing huge problems even when the outsourcer is stateside is a completely different, though related, problem.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New ergo Justice: Outsource the Outsourcers.
New Make it's time to do something else for a living...
I've been toying with two ideas to deal with the wholesale outsourcing of American jobs, personally.

When my day comes, and I'm outsourced, I'll either:

1. Find something completely unrelated to computers to spend my life doing.
Teaching school
Handyman
Car Repair
Sales

or

2. I'll find a business idea where I don't think people are doing a very
good job with technology and I'll build a product and sell it as
a small businessman.

I've been trying to get us to a point where we start saving some money each
month to get our debt down and deal with the fact that teachers or handymen make about 1/2 of what a programmer does.

The other hope I have is to stretch out my computer career long enough to get my wife graduated from Physician's Assistant school and I'll go be Mr. Mom.

Glen Austin
New For myself, I've been thinking of going back to
music. At this point, I'd probably make more money, and I'd definitely have more fun.
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New Better a starving musician than a starving IT professional
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Sometime you the windshield, sometime you the bug, sometime you the driver you turn on the windshield washer you keep going.
New Got it in one, baby!
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New Re: Make it's time to do something else for a living...
I'm hoping to be teaching in a few years.

I'm preparing by not making any real money (but still saving).

-drl
New Well?
I was a concontractor and did nothing I was ashamed of. I contributed everywhere I went. I have a skill at absorbing new situations that is valuable. I've seen a lot of environments. Why should I go to waste?
-drl
New Yes the best people
I'm only getting crumbs these days - short term contracting - hand to mouth kinds of stuff. The only secure people are the 9-5ers in the big companies. The people avoiding risks. The ones waiting for retirement who have the big seniority. These people who know only one thing. I'm not saying that's all of the people at the bigco but I think its the majority.

I'd like to find steady work. I'm sick of living like a migrant worker.

This "strategy" will be the end of US business superiority. We are giving away the farm. Its a short step from understanding the systems to understanding the business and then there will be a revolution.

Colonization never works out for the mother country in the end.




Smalltalk is dangerous. It is a drug. My advice to you would be don't try it; it could ruin your life. Once you take the time to learn it (to REALLY learn it) you will see that there is nothing out there (yet) to touch it. Of course, like all drugs, how dangerous it is depends on your character. It may be that once you've got to this stage you'll find it difficult (if not impossible) to "go back" to other languages and, if you are forced to, you might become an embittered character constantly muttering ascerbic comments under your breath. Who knows, you may even have to quit the software industry altogether because nothing else lives up to your new expectations.
--AndyBower
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 05:57:53 AM EDT
New Waiting for the Next Ross Perot
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     Something to lose sleep over - (deSitter) - (10)
         Look at who they're talking about - (drewk) - (8)
             ergo Justice: Outsource the Outsourcers. -NT - (Ashton)
             Make it's time to do something else for a living... - (gdaustin) - (4)
                 For myself, I've been thinking of going back to - (jake123) - (2)
                     Better a starving musician than a starving IT professional -NT - (mhuber) - (1)
                         Got it in one, baby! -NT - (jake123)
                 Re: Make it's time to do something else for a living... - (deSitter)
             Well? - (deSitter)
             Yes the best people - (tuberculosis)
         Waiting for the Next Ross Perot -NT - (tablizer)

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