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New Not quite that bad.
[link|http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-272.html|http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-272.html]

We haven't doubled spending since 95...and this study shows that replacing income taxes would require about an 11% vat. If you make it progressive by eliminating the tax burden on all spending up to poverty level....the rate hits just over 14.

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New Re: Not quite that bad.
Steve Forbes, who actually championed flat tax as a Presidential candidate, had a figure of 17% I think. That for some unknown reason seems like a good number. Everyone could live with the extra 3 percent. Call it a tip. But that's it - lock it in and come up with a consistent plan for borrowing money - financing future productivity - from "the future". You can make long range plans if you know that the tax burden is going to be what it is, regardless. So it would have to go into the Constitution.
-drl
New Sales tax: current income vs. net

The delta between the 11%, 15%, or 17% numbers, and the 30%-50% I gave, is that the low values are for replacement of the existing federal income tax only. The 30% rate is what you'd arrive at if all current payroll deductions were added to the income tax deduction, and current state and local sales tax -- it would be the effective total sales tax rate. The 50% rate is effectively the total tax burden.

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Calculating that last is tricky, as the taxes are rolled into many different collection mechanisms and jurisdictions. Given that there are single states with over 2,000 tax assessing bodies (Illinois comes to mind), it would be difficult to get a final number. I'm pretty comfortable with the idea that the final value is in the 40-50% range. 30% was a value tossed out by Chris Farrel on MPR's "Sound Money" radio show some months back.

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         LOVE IT! - (gdaustin) - (8)
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                 Don't think so... - (gdaustin) - (3)
                     have to agree with Karsten - (boxley) - (1)
                         Actually, we don't - (jake123)
                     Re: Don't think so... - (kmself)
                 Not quite that bad. - (bepatient) - (2)
                     Re: Not quite that bad. - (deSitter)
                     Sales tax: current income vs. net - (kmself)

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