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New You wouldn't call it imperialism. But others will. Loudly.
And that's why we must refuse to cowed by the propangandist manipulation of language. Or anything else, for that matter.

Your point about the danger of proxies does have merit, I'll grant. But doing it in person also has dangers. Our young men in harm's way, etc.

I'm not suggesting anyone actually *trust* Pakistan, or what remains of the Northern Alliance. Hell, I don't trust Windows, but I use it for some things. I just use it in an untrusting, cautious fashion. That's how to use proxies.

I say try the proxies first, and monitor them very closely for misbehavior. And if that that doesn't work out, we come in and do it in person. Not to "assist" the proxies, as in Vietnam. We come in to replace them, and we make no bones about it.
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New Not bad...
I think the one thing that I disagree with is your comment on "putting our young men in harm's way." Okay, so we don't put ours in harm's way - we pay another government to put THEIR young men in harm's way.

Talk about leading by example.

That is why it is so important for us to step up to the plate up front, instead of letting others do our work for us - that way, the only ones with a moral leg to stand on in challenging our actions are those who would do the same. Everybody else would either have to put up or shut up. Not that they will, but I think you get my meaning.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
New Leading by example?
Who, pray tell, would be following?

You don't help anybody learn by doing all his homework for him. Unless you're trying to teach him abject dependency.

On the other hand, if we go in and fight all our battles in person from the very first, we'll eventually control the entire world. And then leadership will be a moot point. There'll be nobody left for us to lead. At least not until we invent warp drive. And then we can go out there and play Captain Kirk. Or Zap Brannigan.

A world government, with its capital in Washington, DC. There are worse scenarios. But even so, are you sure that's what you want? Because that's exactly where this leads.

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     US repeating cold war mistakes - (bluke) - (42)
         This is exactly what I was warning against. - (inthane-chan) - (32)
             Find us some non-monsters with teeth, and we'll talk. - (marlowe) - (31)
                 We have teeth. - (inthane-chan) - (30)
                     So what you're saying is... - (marlowe) - (29)
                         I didn't say occupy. - (inthane-chan) - (28)
                             You do realize you're not making sense, don't you? - (marlowe) - (27)
                                 I wouldn't call it imperialism. - (inthane-chan) - (26)
                                     Trouble is... - (Simon_Jester) - (22)
                                         Well, that's something else that needs to change. - (inthane-chan) - (14)
                                             Our puritanical attitude toward heroin? - (marlowe) - (13)
                                                 I know drugs screw people up. - (inthane-chan) - (12)
                                                     So you'd fight the monster... - (marlowe) - (11)
                                                         Yes I have. - (inthane-chan) - (10)
                                                             Re: Yes I have. - (Fearless Freep) - (4)
                                                                 Do you like crack babies? - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                                                     Problem is... - (Fearless Freep)
                                                                     I'm all for sterilizing hard drug addicts. - (marlowe) - (1)
                                                                         Half the world... - (Fearless Freep)
                                                             Quite a mixture there... - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                 Casual heroin users? - (marlowe) - (2)
                                                                     I was apparently misinformed. - (Another Scott)
                                                                     Re: Casual heroin users? Not so. - (Ashton)
                                                             You'd rather write off people than try to prevent... - (marlowe)
                                         Algeria is a perfect example - (rsf) - (6)
                                             Point well taken, still - (Ashton) - (5)
                                                 Problem is Peace Bombs are... - (rsf) - (4)
                                                     Aberration.. hmmmm - (Ashton)
                                                     Marshall Plan an aberration? No, rather, a data point. - (marlowe) - (2)
                                                         Minor correction. - (a6l6e6x)
                                                         Heh.. Marlowe, yer on a roll :-\ufffd - (Ashton)
                                     You wouldn't call it imperialism. But others will. Loudly. - (marlowe) - (2)
                                         Not bad... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                             Leading by example? - (marlowe)
         What do you suggest? - (Another Scott) - (8)
             People and regimes don't change overnight - (bluke)
             Re: What do you suggest? - (neelk)
             Pakistan as an example - (bluke) - (5)
                 That doesn't answer the question. What should the US do? -NT - (Another Scott) - (4)
                     Carpet bomb all the Afghan settlements - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                         But the Afghan people aren't the problem. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             No, they are part of the solution - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                 I have my doubts about that. Even so, give `em a try (nomsg -NT - (marlowe)

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