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New Pakistan as an example
The US imposed sanctions on Pakistan for 1. testing nuclear weapons 2. for the military overthrowing the civilian governement. Bush lifted those sanctions this past week. Has civilian rule returned? Have they given up their nukes? Lifting the sanctions was a bribe in return for support against Afghanistan. What are the long term implications of this kind of policy?

Pakistan is now ruled by a military government that overthrew the elected civilian government. It is very clear that a large percentage of Pakistanis want to have nothing to do with any American campaign against Bin Laden in Afghanistan. Propping up the military government is not the answer, it will only make things worse. At some point, like in Iran the government will be overthrown and the new government will be very anti-American because the US propped up the previous dictator. This has happened time and time again. The US talks alot about freedom and democracy but when push comes to shove the US supports dictators and helps them stay in power because it thinks that those dictators serve US interests. This was one of the big mistakes of the Cold War period and is being repeated again.
Expand Edited by bluke Sept. 25, 2001, 03:10:36 AM EDT
New That doesn't answer the question. What should the US do?
New Carpet bomb all the Afghan settlements
with Food, Cheap Radios (the wind-up kind) tuned to the VOA, Medicine, Literature on Democracy, and offers for rewards for help in bringing the world criminal to justice.

Catapult the common people into the 20th century and empower them. Give them the warm fuzzies about the USA.

Who's your buddy? Who's your friend? Its Uncle Sam isn't it.

The most vicious weapon the US has against totalitarian regimes and nutty fundamentalists is our culture.

Oh yeah, no bibles.

New But the Afghan people aren't the problem.
bin Laden's cadres aren't the Afghan people - they're fanatical ethnic Arabs and other fanatical people who aren't from Afghanistan.

While helping the Afghan people is something we certainly need to do, it's not going to stop the terrorists we know are out there. They'll have to move out of Afghanistan if the US is successful, but many/most of them are scattered around the world already ("cells in 60 countries").

I don't think it's a solution to the immediate problem.

Cheers,
Scott.
New No, they are part of the solution
If you want to know about someone, ask their neighbors.

The locals are more likely to know where these guys are operating and presumably some of them will get greedy for goodies and turn the guy in. It happens.
New I have my doubts about that. Even so, give `em a try (nomsg
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     US repeating cold war mistakes - (bluke) - (42)
         This is exactly what I was warning against. - (inthane-chan) - (32)
             Find us some non-monsters with teeth, and we'll talk. - (marlowe) - (31)
                 We have teeth. - (inthane-chan) - (30)
                     So what you're saying is... - (marlowe) - (29)
                         I didn't say occupy. - (inthane-chan) - (28)
                             You do realize you're not making sense, don't you? - (marlowe) - (27)
                                 I wouldn't call it imperialism. - (inthane-chan) - (26)
                                     Trouble is... - (Simon_Jester) - (22)
                                         Well, that's something else that needs to change. - (inthane-chan) - (14)
                                             Our puritanical attitude toward heroin? - (marlowe) - (13)
                                                 I know drugs screw people up. - (inthane-chan) - (12)
                                                     So you'd fight the monster... - (marlowe) - (11)
                                                         Yes I have. - (inthane-chan) - (10)
                                                             Re: Yes I have. - (Fearless Freep) - (4)
                                                                 Do you like crack babies? - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                                                                     Problem is... - (Fearless Freep)
                                                                     I'm all for sterilizing hard drug addicts. - (marlowe) - (1)
                                                                         Half the world... - (Fearless Freep)
                                                             Quite a mixture there... - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                 Casual heroin users? - (marlowe) - (2)
                                                                     I was apparently misinformed. - (Another Scott)
                                                                     Re: Casual heroin users? Not so. - (Ashton)
                                                             You'd rather write off people than try to prevent... - (marlowe)
                                         Algeria is a perfect example - (rsf) - (6)
                                             Point well taken, still - (Ashton) - (5)
                                                 Problem is Peace Bombs are... - (rsf) - (4)
                                                     Aberration.. hmmmm - (Ashton)
                                                     Marshall Plan an aberration? No, rather, a data point. - (marlowe) - (2)
                                                         Minor correction. - (a6l6e6x)
                                                         Heh.. Marlowe, yer on a roll :-\ufffd - (Ashton)
                                     You wouldn't call it imperialism. But others will. Loudly. - (marlowe) - (2)
                                         Not bad... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                             Leading by example? - (marlowe)
         What do you suggest? - (Another Scott) - (8)
             People and regimes don't change overnight - (bluke)
             Re: What do you suggest? - (neelk)
             Pakistan as an example - (bluke) - (5)
                 That doesn't answer the question. What should the US do? -NT - (Another Scott) - (4)
                     Carpet bomb all the Afghan settlements - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                         But the Afghan people aren't the problem. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             No, they are part of the solution - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                 I have my doubts about that. Even so, give `em a try (nomsg -NT - (marlowe)

Who invented this stupid sport, anyway?
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