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New That's precisely what they depend on.
It takes so long to show proof and build a consensus (if one can be built at all) the perpetrators are pretty much beyond any punitive action. Right now they can depend on this, to the point they can do a cost / benefit analysis.

It's time to put a little uncertainty into their lives. A little swift, unilateral action will screw up their calculations and make ROI far more uncertain.

Ok, there's the risk we might kill some criminals that aren't the ones that actually did that particular job. I'm willing to accept that risk.
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New Re: That's precisely what they depend on.

> It's time to put a little uncertainty into their lives. A little swift, unilateral action will screw up their calculations and make ROI far more uncertain.

Like the way the TERRORISTS did to the America?

> Ok, there's the risk we might kill some criminals that aren't the ones that actually did that particular job. I'm willing to accept that risk.

Like the way the TERRORISTS did to the WTC?

And you don't see any parallelism?

Now, if you're talking an eye for an eye, that I can understand, but please don't try to claim moral high grounds/justifications for your proposed actions.
New Morals have nothing to do with it.
Do you know why Russians were not taken hostage during the lebanon hostage season? The hezballa did in fact take a russian hostage. The KGB grabbed a couple of people out of the hezballa Area of Operations, shot one immediately, castrated another, sewed him up and dropped him off home. 1st and last Russian kidnapped in that area. You do not teach morals to snarling beast, you smack the shit out of it. Once the beast has calmed you then discourse with it. Be nice I feed you, bite me you will got to doggie heaven.
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why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them?
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New typo?
>> Do you know why Russians were not taken hostage during the lebanon hostage season? .....The KGB grabbed a couple of people out of the hezballa Area of Operations, shot one immediately, castrated another, sewed him up and dropped him off home. <<

Don't you mean "dropped *her* off home"?

However, tactics like that are one of the reasons that the Soviet Union fell: too secretive and slimey.


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New Re: That's precisely what they depend on.
> It's time to put a little uncertainty into their lives. A little swift, unilateral action will screw up their calculations and make ROI far more uncertain.

Like the way the TERRORISTS did to the America?

Not quite.

If you didn't have your head stuck up somewhere, you'd see a vast difference.

United States forces (usually) (attempt to) bend over backwards to avoid hitting civilians. Witness the constant shelling of the airport in Sarevjo - where the US forces wouldn't fire back, since it might hit people nearby.

This was a deliberate attack *using civilians as cover*.

The United States response is not to take out civilians - which would be the analog you're discussing, but the planners, financeers, leaders, and grunts of the terrorist movements.

If they'd just started carpet bombing Afganistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the Phillipines, yes, then it would be exactly the same.

Addison
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> If they'd just started carpet bombing Afganistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the Phillipines, yes, then it would be exactly the same.
>

Addison,

I do understand what you are saying. And to a certain degree, I do CHOOSE to believe that the US will try to avert civilian casaulties as much as possible.

But (you knew there is going to be one, don't you).

Read through the earlier posts and you'll see that there are indeed posts that suggested/supported NUKING the Arab region to kingdom come.

That kind of attitude is NO different from those that you, and I condemn, and THAT is the point that you seem to choose NOT to see.

     What proof do we need against bin Laden? - (brettj) - (18)
         Proof for what purpose? - (Another Scott) - (10)
             To show the world that a unilateral decision will not happen - (brettj) - (7)
                 That's precisely what they depend on. - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                     Re: That's precisely what they depend on. - (TTC) - (4)
                         Morals have nothing to do with it. - (boxley) - (1)
                             typo? - (tablizer)
                         Re: That's precisely what they depend on. - (addison) - (1)
                             Re: That's precisely what they depend on. - (TTC)
                 Re: To show the world that a unilateral decision will not ha - (wharris2)
             Powell has been running off at the mouth a lot - (wharris2) - (1)
                 Rather not, IMO - (kmself)
         Proof? Why don't we just take him at his word? - (Andrew Grygus)
         No proof will persuade the Arab/Muslim street - (bluke) - (5)
             Regarding this rumor - (brettj) - (2)
                 Um. Brett? - (addison) - (1)
                     I see your point. - (brettj)
             Re: No proof will persuade the Arab/Muslim street - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                 Actually if anything Israel has come out much worse... - (bluke)

Specifically, they will not save the ship and crew, they will not win a stack of quatloos, and they will especially not get to sleep
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