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New What Ian sells

Is called [link|http://progeny.com/|Progeny]. Ian's [link|http://progeny.com/about/team.html|chairman and CTO].

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White paper describing [link|http://progeny.com/PlatformServicesWP_031703.pdf|Debian as a platform services foundation]. Echoed in the [link|http://progeny.com/about/index.html|about Progeny] page:

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\r\n[W]hat the marketplace really needed (and what we were uniquely qualified to provide) was a superior, cost-effective alternative for building and maintaining a customized Linux platform\ufffdfocused not around a particular distribution, but on Linux as a whole.\r\n
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New UNIX is not "componentized"
Would I trust anyone who used such a stupid word? Would I trust anyone so stupid as to think UNIX can be "componentized"? What the hell is that? Word salad!

You Doobians are every bit as deluded and irrational as Windows doobs were.

I love the "shades of SCO/3Com/YourFuckedCompanyHere" web design - not.
-drl
New Still sore cuz you can't install it?


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New Sheesh
Can't you do better than that? I hate the evil thing - like a cheap Chinese radio or some Russian counterfeit copy of a nice pen, it's offensive to the eye and mind.

Just one look is all it took. It's a POS slackertoy like GNU info, emacs, tetex, netscape, mozilla, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. ETC.!

I have ACTUAL WORK to do.
-drl
Expand Edited by deSitter May 11, 2003, 06:06:12 PM EDT
New ROFL
I'll take your sorry ass on with Emacs and Mozilla any day of the week.

They're what I use for REAL WORK every day.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New TeTeX?
Ah, that's right. You're the one who claims that there's "no good equation editors" on UNIX, and that LaTeX is "weird".

Keep on with the meds, boi.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New Re: UNIX is not "componentized"

Blah blah blah blah dicksize blah blah.

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Unix is componentized (though I prefer the term "modularized"). Debian makes managing the compenents far more tenable. Progeny's business is selling custom-tailored Linux systems for enterprise clients. While the claim is of distribution independence, Debian is very much the base, for good reason. It's the same reasoning that's behind the various bootable distros (LNX-BBC, Knoppix, Demo-Linux, etc.) basing their packages from Debian. Less crap to deal with, greatly facilitated effort.

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I'm still waiting for Danny Ross Lunsford's Cooking with Shit and Crow for Fun and Frothing. Last I checked, you're the one who's talking shit on Debian without having tried it. And never mind me. Check with... Greg, Peter, Scott, Bill (still on the cusp, but I think he'll make it), Drew, Ben, etc., etc., etc.... Each of whom started elsewhere, tried Debian, and realized the advantages. There was some armtwisting to get them to try it, but the proof's in the pudding.

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And we'll note the usual cogent and relevant arguments. Too much river water of late, Ross?

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Re: UNIX is not "componentized"
I tried enough of it to know that I'll never be as cool as you guys :) I can't tell you how disgusted I was by the entire thing. If you're that INTO low-level bullshit and have the time, why not do BSD?

Some things can't be boiled down to a formula. Everything I've learned over the years tells me Debian sucks, and SuSE doesn't. You know that feel you get when you drive a well-engineered car? Debian is a set of diagrams of the car in some random order. SuSE is the car.

And to stress the point, by supporting SuSE, I'm attacking Microsoft. By supporting Debian, you're wasting your own time while they suck up more and more of the world. Guess what - Windows is born-again hard (about fucking time after 15 years) - Windows XP keeps the good core of NT and fixes its many performance problems - but now that they have a Windows worth owning, they will just stick it to everyone three times as hard to protect it. The only way to combat Windows XP is to make something is available and profitable that is just as easy to install, just as stable, and just as functional. That will NEVER happen with Debian, because there is no profit in it. By supporting SuSE there is a remote chance that Windows will have a worthy competitor, and a financially healthy one.

So, I froth because

1) I can't STAND mob political behavior

2) Debian pegged my trusted "dubiousity" meter

3) I want MS and vendor UNIX to have a realistic competitor.


-drl
New /kmself hands DRL

...a large barrel of vaseline.

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Stroke and bore, Ross.

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
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   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New I moved FROM SuSE TO Debian, nimrod.
And not for political reasons. SuSE ate itself, and I didn't have the time to fuck around with fixing a broken RPM installation. I've spent ZERO time maintaining my Debian box since I set it up. I use it AT WORK day in and day out. SuSE was the distro that sucked time like a two-bit whore, not Debian.

That's the raw, fucking truth, Ross. Believe it or not (you obviously don't), but at least get over yourself.

"Tried enough of it to know." Yeah, horseshit. I'll bet you spent a whole prejuidiced 2 hours with it, didn't you.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Bwaaaaahahahaha
"Debbie and Ian aren't selling anything."

"Oh yeah?"

Oh that's just priceless.
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
     Debian downgrade Q - (tseliot) - (62)
         Suggestions (untested) - (kmself) - (2)
             Thanks; that got me in the right direction - (tseliot) - (1)
                 By default dpkg allows for downgrades. - (folkert)
         The Answer: SuSE 8.2! -NT - (deSitter) - (58)
             That *would* be a downgrade... -NT - (admin) - (55)
                 Have you seen it? - (deSitter) - (54)
                     So? - (admin) - (53)
                         It is pretty sweet, - (bepatient) - (52)
                             re: hard to get started - (admin) - (2)
                                 I think... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                     This was from SuSE 7.2 -NT - (admin)
                             Re: It is pretty sweet, - (deSitter) - (47)
                                 Woo, insert CD. -NT - (admin) - (9)
                                     Should we just rename this forum - (cwbrenn) - (7)
                                         Missing the point. - (admin) - (4)
                                             I'm not missing the point... - (cwbrenn) - (3)
                                                 Well, what you could do... - (admin) - (2)
                                                     Funny you should say that... - (cwbrenn) - (1)
                                                         Heh heh heh... -NT - (admin)
                                         Not to worry, these Doobians are mostly harmless :) -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                                             I'm still in decision mode... - (bepatient)
                                     Re: Woo, insert CD. - (deSitter)
                                 As long as you have them handy... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                     Re: As long as you have them handy... - (deSitter)
                                 It's as simple as this: - (folkert) - (34)
                                     Here, I'll do it - (deSitter) - (33)
                                         Here, I'll help. - (Yendor) - (32)
                                             Advantage: Yendor. Well done! -NT - (Another Scott) - (20)
                                                 Advantage, Me - (deSitter) - (19)
                                                     So what? - (pwhysall)
                                                     Um, non sequitur. - (Another Scott) - (17)
                                                         Re: Um, non sequitur. - (deSitter) - (16)
                                                             http://www.debian.org/donations - Pay for Debian too... - (Another Scott) - (15)
                                                                 Wrong - (deSitter) - (14)
                                                                     Umm. - (imric) - (13)
                                                                         Re: Umm. - (deSitter) - (12)
                                                                             Rubbish. - (pwhysall)
                                                                             What Ian sells - (kmself) - (10)
                                                                                 UNIX is not "componentized" - (deSitter) - (8)
                                                                                     Still sore cuz you can't install it? -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                                                     Sheesh - (deSitter) - (2)
                                                                                         ROFL - (admin)
                                                                                         TeTeX? - (pwhysall)
                                                                                     Re: UNIX is not "componentized" - (kmself) - (3)
                                                                                         Re: UNIX is not "componentized" - (deSitter) - (2)
                                                                                             /kmself hands DRL - (kmself)
                                                                                             I moved FROM SuSE TO Debian, nimrod. - (admin)
                                                                                 Bwaaaaahahahaha - (drewk)
                                             Lame example, too. - (admin) - (6)
                                                 I have a machine that will have ONLY baseconfig. - (folkert) - (5)
                                                     Heheheh. -NT - (admin) - (4)
                                                         Oh Lord! What have I created? - (kmself) - (3)
                                                             Er... "wonderous"...? -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                                                 Didna get to it. Fun- - (folkert)
                                                             Kiss my ass -NT - (deSitter)
                                             Is it just me ... - (altmann) - (3)
                                                 Nope... it isn't just you... - (folkert) - (2)
                                                     Re: Nope... it isn't just you... - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                         Points completely missed again Ross. - (folkert)
                             Since you insist - (kmself)
             How quaint. -NT - (pwhysall)
             *gloat* -NT - (kmself)

Only a Stephen Hawking vs. Larry Flynt joust could compare in terms of universal significance.
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